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My name is Bob DiSilverio.  My father's family all hail from Italy.  My mother's family all hail from Ireland.  Both sides of my family immigrated to the United States in the late 19th or early 20th centuries.

My mother's bible tells me that my grandparents on her side of the family were born in Pennsylvania, USA in the 1890s.  I knew them as well as a youngster may be said to know his grandparents.  That was quite enough for me at one time when anything in the 19th century seemed impossibly long ago.  But, in recent years I have become interested in my grandparents forebears and cannot discover much.

My mother's bible tells me a little more.  Her father, Daniel McGee, was the son of Thomas McGee, who the bible says came from Glen Finn - Ireland.  (I have seen a copy of Thomas McGee's death certificate.  The death was registered by my grandfather's older half-brother, Patrick (PJ).)  I met PJ when he seemed quite old to me.  PJ could juggle balls and he gave me a baseball mitt.  PJ met with my 6 year-old approval.  On the basis of the death certificate, it would appear that PJ believed Thomas McGee hailed from Strabane.  When I was in Ireland, I drove a rented Opel Corsa through the Finn Valley.  I know that if you follow the River Finn down through Donegal and across into County Tyrone, you will very soon find yourself in Strabane.  Great-Grandpa Thomas is from around there somewhere.

My great-grandmother - Daniel's mother (but not PJs) was called Margaret Boyle.  The bible says she was from Donegal, Ireland.  I doubt that she was from Donegal town.  It is a big county.  My cousin Terry seems to think we may have roots in or around Burtonport, or perhaps over on Innis Arran.  There are a lot of Boyles around there.  (I have DNA matches with Boyles from that area, too, but we've never managed to quite connect the lineage.)

My mother's maternal grandmother was also a Margaret - Margaret Gallagher.  The bible says only that she was from Donegal, Ireland.  I say again, it is a big county.  Now, I do have a DNA Match (58 cM) on Gedcom with someone who claims descent from a Gallagher.  None of the other surnames on his pedigree look familiar.  I'm inclined to think we can only be related through a shared Gallagher forbear.  All I know about my forebear is Margaret  - Donegal.  But he seems to know: Murtagh Gallagher b. 14 April 1865 Meenaboligan, Dungloe, Donegal - son of Murty born circa 1830.  Points to some geography.

And, my mother's maternal grandfather was James O'Donnell.  The bible says only Mein-Namara Ireland.  I found Red Hugh O'Donnell.  He has a statue in the parking lot in Donegal town near the castle.  I couldn't find Mein-Namara, but then my mother had no Gaeilge.  When I stayed with the Brennans in Glenties, they couldn't quite think of a local place name like that, except maybe, Meenmore?   An Mhín Mhór?   I went looking for it.  And, I never quite found the place, but half of the country between Dungloe / Templecrone and Burtonport seems to be  An Mhín Mhór.

So, the way I reckon it, half of my family originates within 400 square miles, mostly in County Donegal bounded by Roaninish in the northwest, Strabane in the northeast, Donegal town in the south and Dungloe in the southwest.   

That's my story.  If you can help me understand the Irish diaspora as it pertains to me, I'd be thrilled.  And, yes, I'd love to visit Eire again, but it is not really budgeted for.  Then again, if my countrymen elect the Orange Menace to the presidency again...   Well, budget be dashed.

But anyway...  California reaching out...

Bob                       

Bob DiSilverio

Tuesday 12th Mar 2024, 11:29PM

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  • Hi Bob -

    It is fabulous you have a family bible.  What a treasure! 

    Does the family Bible give dates of birth, marriage and death?  That would be very helpful information.  Do you have a timeframe when they were in Pennsylvania?  Also, are they Catholic, Church of Ireland or Presbyterian?  There are many McGees in County Donegal, as you have seen.  Meenmore is north of Dungloe and south of Burtonport, well north of Glenties.  Any information for them in Pennsylvania could assist in understand when they left Ireland.  

    I would need additional information to be able to assist you.  

    Marsha, IrelandXO Volunteer

    Marsha, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘︎

    Thursday 14th Mar 2024, 03:12PM
  • Hello Marsha:

    I certainly have some of that information for some of my forebears, but I cannot go back too far.  Let me see what I can do.

    My grandfather, Daniel McGee, was a good Catholic and went happily to Mass on every Sunday and Holy Day of Obligation. 

    My grandmother, Bridget (O'Donnell) McGee was a less good Catholic.  I cannot remember her going to Mass.  And, she would say salty things, like the time she thanked my father for some small service and gave him permission to 'have himself a red-head.'

    Dan and Bridget were married at Hazleton, Pennsylvania on October 16, 1916 at the ages of 23 and 21, respectively.  Both attested to their births in Pennsylvania; named their parents Thomas McGee, Margaret Boyle, Jas. (James) O'Donnell and Margaret Gallagher and indicated that their parents had been born in Ireland.   James O'Donnell and Margaret Boyle are listed as 'deceased' at the time of the marriage. 

    I can attach a copy of the marriage record.    Pap & Mam's Marriage License

    I can be fairly precise about Thomas McGee's death on January 28, 1930 at Hazleton.  My grandfather's elder half-brother, Patrick (PJ) McGee registered it and indicated that his father, a widower, age 69 years had been born in Ireland to Patrick McGee.  So, Thomas McGee would have been born about 1861 to a father named Patrick McGee.  We do not have his mother's name.  I have a copy:

    Thomas McGee's Death :   

    My Mother made an informal record of the deaths of her parents in the family bible.  She could be meticulous.  So you can be reasonably certain Daniel McGee died on September 27, 1970 at Hazleton, PA at about the age of 77.  And that Bridget (O'Donnell) McGee died on November 17, 1975 at about the age of 80.  Copy:

       Deaths in Bible

    Thomas McGee was living in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania at the time of the United States Federal Census so we can piece together one or two additional pieces of his family story.  Thomas and his wife, Maggie (Margaret Boyle) both claimed to have immigrated from Ireland in 1883 and had been living in the States for 17 years at the time of the Census.  They had been married 9 years.  So, were married here.  Their family is listed on lines 45 - 50 of the Census Page upon which they appear, including Uncle PJ - Maggie's stepson, and their boarder, Lawrence Hearn, 80 years of age.  We can put Maggie's birth in October 1862.  The month of Thomas' birth in 1861, I find illegible - consistently illegible throughout the document.  Copy:

    1900 Census (McGee) (Boyle)

    I will look for some useful information about my O'Donnells and Gallaghers, but maybe this will be of some help.

    Warm regards -

    Bob

    Bob DiSilverio

    Friday 15th Mar 2024, 04:05PM
  • James O'Donnell is a remarkably common name even in the United States, but I do believe I've found my great-grandfather in the US Federal Census for 1900.  (Line 46 continued on following page.)  This man is the right County, Luzerne, and the right borough, West Hazleton.  His wife is named Maggie, but she was almost surely Margaret, formally.  I know almost nothing about daughters Maggie or May, except my mother once mentioned picking up Aunt Maggie McBride to take her to a parent's funeral.  I didn't know I had an Aunt Maggie McBride, but that looks like my grandmother's older sister who married some fellow named McBride.  (Another mystery solved.) 

    So, James was born in Ireland in January 1862.  He had been in the USA twenty years in 1900, since 1880.  There was family lore that our great-grandfather was a saloon-keeper and this census record is consistent.

    Maggie, James' wife, was born in Ireland in August 1868.  She came to the USA in 1889 and had been here 11 years at the time of the census. (I have some reason to think she might have been Margaret Catherine.)

    My grandmother, Bridget, would appear to have a birthdate in September 1894.  Her younger sister, Annie, is Ann Nenstiel whom my mother has 'buried in Calvary cemetery' in the family bible. 

    DNA matched me to a 2nd cousin - Anny O'Donnell who descends from baby brother, James.  And, our family once had a Polish/German domestic servant?  Who knew?

    Bob

    1900 US Census O'Donnell   .

        1900 US Federal Census O'Donnell2 

    Bob DiSilverio

    Friday 15th Mar 2024, 06:39PM
  • Hi Bob -

    I have looked for a Patrick and Thomas McGee with the same father, Patrick, and different mothers for the period between 1855 and 1870.  I have not found anything.  

    If you did a deep dive into the genealogy you might be able to unravel the puzzle.  Unfortunately, it would take some time.  IrelandXO is not a genealogy service, but we try to assist where we can.  Attached is a list of births, deaths and baptisms that are available for County Donegal for Catholics.  The record, unfortunately, might not exist, but I have no way of knowing.  My suggestions would be to find obituaries for the half brothers from Ireland, Patrick and Thomas, and see if they mention a place in Donegal or even Tyrone.  Many obits do mention a specific place in Ireland.  You seem to have done a good deal of research, but I cannot find the 1920 census records for Thomas McGee.  Another avenue would be the DNA matches, which unfortunately are out of my depth.  You might look at the genealogy resources available for the county.  There are many.  The last thing I want to do is give you bad information.  

    County Donegal record dates_0.JPG

    I'm sorry I could not be of further assistance.  If you find those obits, let me know and possibly a placename will become apparent.

    Marsha, IrelandXO Volunteer

    Marsha, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘︎

    Saturday 16th Mar 2024, 03:41PM
  • Hi Bob -

    I've been giving your situation a bit of thought.  Have you checked for a Declaration of Intent at the port he entered the US?  Or his naturalization paper, probably filed in Pennsylvania? This might have some information or possibly a clue.  You can also search the Ellis Island records which can give you the ship.  Then search for the ship to see with whom he traveled over.  This might also give you a clue.  You can find these records at NARA (National Archives and Records Administration).  https://www.archives.gov/research/immigration/overview  or  https://heritage.statueofliberty.org/ .   There is also the USCIS (United States Citizen and Immigration Services) https://www.uscis.gov/records/genealogy.  This gives more information, but is costly.  

    I still think a search at a local library for newspaper obits for him and his half-brother would be a good first step.

    Marsha

     

    Marsha, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘︎

    Thursday 21st Mar 2024, 04:30PM
  • Marsha:

    Thanks for your continued efforts.  I'll see what I find via NARA.  Probably not USCIS; budget is a concern.

    Bob 

    Bob DiSilverio

    Tuesday 26th Mar 2024, 07:02PM

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