I'm a descendent of Robert Harvey and Agnes Baker (I have no birth details for either of them). They were Protestants and married in 1815 at Corofin, Clare (I have a record of this and Robert Harvey is noted as Gent but I’m not sure what that should tell me about him?). Agnes is noted as 'second daughter of a John Baker of Crossard, Clare - https://astheywere.blogspot.com/2014/01/ennis-chronicle-1814-1815.html - but I have been unable to find any details on her father, John Baker.
According to family history Robert & Agnes then lived on a farm at Rathkerry, Clare. I can find a Robert Harvey as both a Landlord & Freeholder in Rathkerry, Clare in 1813-1821 - he is noted as ‘Robert Harvey, Rep.’ as Landlord (would ‘Rep' indicate he is not alive?). There are records of other Harveys (Thomas, Francis, John F, Maurice, James, William, Patrick) recorded in County Clare but I have found no way of linking them.
I am related to their child John Baker Harvey who was born in 1819, most likely in Rathkerry, Clare; I have been unable to find any record of his birth. Again, family history says that due to his poor eyesight he was unable to complete his medical studies with his Uncle?; he eventually married in Calry, Sligo in 1848 and emigrated to Wollongong/Dapto, N.S.W, Australia with his wife, Louisa Allen, on the “John Knox” in 1849/50, and I have records to confirm this.
I can find no record of either his father Robert Harvey or his mother, Agnes’ deaths, nor whether John B had any siblings.
That said, my understanding is that the tradition at the time was for any property to be left to the oldest son, so I am thinking he had an older brother by the name of Robert, as I can find records of a Robert Harvey at Ballycarroll, Templemaley with his wife Margaret Pierce and several children (a number of whom subsequently migrated to Australia). This Robert Harvey’s death record, puts his birth at 1818, a year before my g.g. g/father John B).
I have found the Clare County Library invaluable for any research I have done so far, but I would be grateful for any further information/records or guidance your researchers/contributors may have in helping me find any family details of Robert & Agnes Harvey.
Jenny
Jenny
Tuesday 5th Mar 2024, 03:51AMMessage Board Replies
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Attached FilesHarvey - Thomas - Rathkerry 1808.pdf (86.31 KB)Harvey - Robert - Rathkerry - 1815.pdf (84.38 KB)Baker - Terence - 1822 - County Clare.pdf (94.03 KB)
Jenny,
Please see attached. They may not be very informative,but may lead to other records.
Regards,
McCoy
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Thank you McCoy for these files. Whilst I have seen the PRO for Killaloe entries, the other documents from Find My Past are not ones I have had access to, so I am very appreciative.
I will see if they lead me to other records.
Regards
Jenny
Jenny
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dear jenny; my name is Maurice Harvey my family originated in rathkerry: my fathers name was Thomas as was my grandfather : my greatgrandfather was Maurice and is buried near there somewhere :it seems the family were evicted because one of them married a Catholic and changed" the local landlord Marcus kanes son in law : was a protestant minister and the numbers were critical for him to get his stipend so he ordered Harvey to change back he refused and was evicted after 7 years they got land in co Clare where I grew up :; there are a number of Harvey families in co Clare none of whomI have any communication with I hope this may be some help to you ;: on a side note the halveys in limerick maintain that the three original Viking tribes who came down from Norway were called calveys in Galway and mayo Harvey s in clare and halveys in limerick:;
Mharvey
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Thank you so much for your reply Maurice.
It is very interesting to hear about your ancestry and its Rathkerry origins, and subsequent land ownership around Ennistymon.
From records online, it seems that your grandfather & mother were Thomas Brew Harvey & Delia Leydon - is that right?. And if researchers are correct (particularly a Maura Harvey, who has been so fastidious in detailing her knowledge of the histories of the Harveys of Rathkerry on FamilySearch) then it would appear that your g/g/grandfather might have been a brother of Robert Harvey, my g/g/grandfather. According to her, there was also a brother John Fitzgerald Harvey (which might indicate the mother was a Fitzgerald).
I have also come across various records of other Harveys of Rathkerry (going back into 1700’s) showing property ownership/deeds/polling lists but I am unable to link any of them. Is Maurice your earliest known ancestor?
There is also a story in my extended family that we have a connection to the Wexford Harveys of Bargy & Killiane, but I have found absolutely nothing to support this. I would be interested to know if you have heard anything about this and can add any credence to it.
Your story about the Vikings is also fascinating as a recent DNA result of mine shows that I have a small percentage of Swedish/Danish heritage.
Jenny
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dear jenny i m 76 typing here with one finger ' so bear with me' robert and wiliam harvey were officers in cromwels army: robert got a
Land grant in clare (rathkerry) amy and ellen fitzgerald the desmond s eloped with a harvey and a sheehan man m y partner catherine is descended from ellen and im descended from amy this is how the fitzgerald harveyds came about:: thomas and delia leyden were my grand parents at inagh co clare:;thomas s ,father maurice s motjer was mary guthrie from ruan maurice is as far asi know:; my father met chris de burgh present owner of bargy castle and the found no connection delia leyden was interesting she trained as ateacher in edinburgh if you watch :; the. prime of miss jean brodie :; you get the idea i dont know where the brew came from
lharvey is looked on as essentialy an english name i ve come to the conclusion they are vikings a lot of them are seafarers harvys of bristo
L caleb harvy of the timerere at trafalgar and a host of naval captains we are to say the least different a scotsman i met one time laughed when he heard my name harveys he said they are all mad
Mharvey
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Dear Maurice
I am very appreciative of the effort put into your one-fingered reply.
It is great to have your confirmation that Harvey brothers were granted land in Rathkerry, Clare as officers in Cromwell's Army (& not through connections with Wexford Harveys).
While it seems there is nothing conclusive to link my g.g.g'father Robert with your Maurice, I feel fairly certain that they were brothers, along with John Fitzgerald Harvey. I have come across records of Maurice's ejectment from his land; also his death in 1866 (and rather coincidentally his presumed brother John Fitzgerald also died in 1866). Oddly, I can find nothing about my relative Robert Harvey & his wife Agnes - none of my research has lead me anywhere conclusive - they seem to have just suddenly disappeared from Co Clare.
My records show that your grandfather Thomas Brew's father was also Thomas Brew Harvey (married to Mary Guthrie) and his father was Maurice Harvey (married to Bridget Brew).
Farming seems to have been a strong tradition for the Harveys of Co Clare - I'm wondering if that has remained the same over the years. My relative, John Baker Harvey, initially went into dairying when he arrived in Australia and then orchards.
I will be making a long delayed (due to COVID) post retirement holiday with my husband to England, Scotland & Ireland (my husband also has Irish ancestry) and will be staying for a few nights in Doolin in early May. I am hoping to visit Rathkerry and explore the surrounding areas and would be grateful if you had any other suggestions of places that might be of particular interest.
Thank you,
Jenny
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dear jenny there are two harvey families s w of ennistymon at moughna dan and maurice " also leo a vet in kirush and a family in barefield near ennis ;; also at kilbaha near kilkee all these are descendef from rathkerry the only baker family i know came from crusheen and barefield one of them is a famous hurler ::: glad you are finally getting your visit enjoy yourself i would ove to invite you round but we are poor people and havent the amenities but we are perfecty happy within ourselves and want for nothing love from maurice x
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Mharvey
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Dear Maurice,
Thank you again for your informative reply. I really appreciate the information you have shared with me - it has been invaluable in helping to confirm for me, the Harvey origins in Rathkerry.
I am looking forward to doing some exploring while I am in County Clare shortly and, while you say you are poor, I think your attitude tells me that you are rich.
My husband and I will be staying in Doolan 8-11 May; I'll check this page in the meantime, just in case you would be amenable to us shouting you and your partner a tea or coffee at a local cafe.
No matter how things eventuate, I do hope that if I have any other questions in the future, you might not mind if I get in touch again.
Thank you,
Jenny
Jenny
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dear jenny im sorry i missed you but this site blocked me unless i logged in ': as i had no idea how to do this i was snookered:; today i got my son richard to organize it so im back
I didnt have an address for you in doolin as i would certainly have met
You or the coffee i apolagise for my inadequices hope the rest of
Y our trip went well i hope you met some people who were a bit more organized and technically savvy than me
yours faithfully maurice
Mharvey
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I was replying to Maurice but after I hit 'Post' not only did my message not go through, but all the correspondence since this first message has now disappeared.
Can you please rectify this.
Thank you
Jenny
Jenny
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