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Good Morning All, 

I hope you are well. 

I am wondering if anyone can help me with the below post I found on the Mayo Roots forum: 

"Agnes Loftus - search for her family (born 1903) 

Agnes, here's what I have on Kiltimagh. Note that the name"Loftus" appears several times. KevinPatrick Murtagh was born about 1805. He was 96 years old duringthe 1901 census. He was married to Julia Loftus who was born about1837 and died on 24 Sept 1897 (at age 60). Note that Patrick was32 years older than his wife, Julia. He was 56 years old when theirfirst child was born and 66 years old when the last child was born. I would guess that Patrick had more children for which there are norecords.Griffith's Valuation (1856) shows that Patrick was a joint tenant,with Thomas Murtagh, James Murtagh, Martin Rooney and James Langan of54 acres in the townland of Cuillalea. They rented from PatrickTuohy, who in turn rented from Anthony Ormsby of Ballinamore. I have no record of when Patrick died. Patrick was the fatherof 5 children that I know about. They are:A. John Murtagh (my line) was born about 1861. He marriedCatherine Cavanagh (born about 1866) in Claremorris Parish on 5January 1889. Their witnesses were James Murtagh and BridgetCavanagh. No record on when John or Catherine died. Iam given to understand John was brought to the states by his sonAndrew and lived with him.B. Michael, baptised 17 September 1863, sponsors Michael McGrealand Sally Roche.C. Anne, baptised 11 October 1866, sponsors Mathew Loftus andHonor Loftus.D. Bridget, baptised 18 February, sponsors Thady Lavelle and MaryLoftus.E. James, baptised 15 June 1871, sponsors Martin Mathew Loftusand Mary McGreal.John Murtagh and Catherine Cavanagh (my line) had seven children.They are: Michael, baptised 5 October 1890, sponsors James Murtaghand Kate Costello; Andrew, baptised 17 December 1891, sponsors AndrewKeveney and Mary Loftus; Bridget, (know later as Aunt Viola) baptised 6 July 1893, sponsors Patt Murtagh and Bridget Kavanah; Mary(Kevin Crowley's grandmother), born 26 August 1895, baptised 5September 1895, sponsors James Greally and Julia Murtagh; emigratedto Jersey City, married James Breheney, 5 children; died 16 December1961; James, baptised 26 September 1897, sponsors John and KateCostello; John, baptised 3 September 1899, sponsors Tom Mullen andKate Murtagh; Catherine, baptised 19 January 1901, sponsors JamesKeveny and Mary Mullen" 

LINK: https://www.mayo-ireland.ie/en/roots/view-message.html?mid=15223 

I believe this to be my Great Grandfathers family (James being my GGF) but I am struggling to find any additional information. Unfortunately this was posted in 2003 and although I have asked for the person to contact me I believe they may have left the site. 

Many thanks. 
 

Thursday 3rd Dec 2020, 11:11AM

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  • I can't answer your direct question, but I can provide some general Murtagh and Loftus info for you.  I'm very likely related to the families described in your message, because some of my ancestors lived in two of the townlands directly adjoining Cuillalea, and in other nearby townlands.  I have some Murtagh and Loftus relatives. but I can't connect them directly to the ones you've mentioned.

    Here is a link to more info about Cuillalea:  https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/gallen/killedan/ballinamore/cuillalea/

    As you can see there, two of the adjoining townlands are Camderrynabinnia (also called just Comderry or Comderra in some records) and Treannagleragh.  Comderry is where the Gallagher line in my family lived originally, and some relatives also lived in Treannagleragh.  All of those townlands are in Killedan parish, not far from the town of Kiltimagh, which lies a bit to the east.

    There were two Irish surnames (from unrelated families) which were both Anglicized as either Murtagh/Murtaugh or Murtha.  They were the surnames Ó Muircheartaigh ("descendant of the navigator") in Leinster and Mac Muircheartaigh ("son of the navigator") in Roscommon (which is presumably the source of the surname in East Mayo, being close nearby).  Actually, there may have been three families, since the name was also found in Scotland, and brought from there to Ulster, where it was usually Anglicized as Murdoch.  Either of the two Irish forms of the name could end up as Murtagh or Murtha, depending on how they were heard by whoever was writing out the Anglicized forms (Irish has a number of sounds which English speakers find hard to hear clearly, and there are also regional difference in pronunciation).  It was thus not unusual for different Anglicized versions of a surname to be used within the same family.  What may have contributed to the discrepancies is the fact that most Mayo Murtagh's would still have been Irish-speaking when the anglicization process began, so they may not themselves have known (or possibly cared all that much) how the name was written in its Anglicized form (at least until the mid- to late 19th century).

    The Loftus surname originated in western Mayo, although it is now found in other parts of the county as well.  There is/was an English family named Loftus, a few of whom did make it to Ireland, but most Irish people with the surname Loftus (still found principally in Mayo) originated as O’Loughnane's, from the Irish surname Ó Lachtnáin.  Lachtnáin comes from an old word for the color grey, lachtna (in modern Irish, grey is liath), so it probably meant something like “descendant of the grey haired fellow” (the “Ó” part of the name means essentially “descendant”).  As English-speakers took control in an area, many names were translated (often poorly) or converted to something easier for English speakers to spell or say, or were changed to an English name that sounded similar or had prestige.  The change from O’Loughnane to Loftus is believed to be an example of a prestige name being used, although some O’Loughnane's ended up with the surname Grey, as a result of translation (and some stayed as O'Loughnane).  Exactly when the changes took place is apparently unclear from the historical records.  The Loftus's in my family lived (and still live) mostly a parish or two to the north of Killedan, but still not far away..

    kevin45sfl

    Thursday 3rd Dec 2020, 07:11PM
  • Hi Kevin,

    Thank you for the reply.

    Do you have a family tree that may link to the names above? I would like to understand if there are any relatives still living in Mayo.

    Many thanks.

    Sunday 6th Dec 2020, 10:44AM
  • I have a family tree at Wikitree [https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Jewell-Family-Tree-1523], but as I explained, none of those names are in my family tree.

    My mother's grandfather (father of her father), Peter Gallagher, was born circa 1846 in Killedan parish.  He raised his family in the townland of Carrownteeaun, which is a bit east of Cuillalea, closer to Kiltimagh, and my mother;s father grew up there.  Peter may have been born in Carrownteeaun, but possibly in Comderry.  His father, Thady, was definitely born in Comderry, according to family lore, and there are still Gallagher relatives there wioth whom I've connected through DNA matches.  I know of at least two of Peter's first cousins who married  Murtagh's, one in Comderry (who  might have been from your Cuillalea Murtagh's). I'm not sure where the other Gallagher-Murtagh marriage took place, because that branch of the Gallagher's moved to Missouri in the 1870's, where there are a large number of Gallagher, Murtagh, and McNicholas relatives still living (I found them through DNA matches as well).

    As I mentioned, my known Loftus connections are from a bit further north.  When I was in Mayo many years ago, I met a first cousin of my mother (on her mother's side) named PJ Loftus.  He lived in the townland of Callow, in Killasser parish (where my grandmother grew up).  I don;t know much about hiss family.  I also have some Loftus DNA matches, which makes sense, since there were many Loftus's in that area and the local families have been intermarrying for centuries.

    kevin45sfl

    Wednesday 9th Dec 2020, 02:10AM

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