Visit to Ireland in May 2020

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Hello Gabe,

A Google Map shows there is a school named Scoil San Isadoir just across the street from the Church of the Immaculate Conception in Boherlahan. See the map at: https://is.gd/DsQmGz

For a Google Street View of the school, see: https://is.gd/NCgm5b

For a Google Street View of the Church of the Immaculate Conception, see: https://is.gd/sNgjyj

In the Google Street View noted above you’ll actually see two churches side by side. The Church of the Immaculate Conception is on the right. The church on the left may have been an older structure where Mass was held.

Another Google Map shows that Lisbook is 3.7 miles west of the Boherlahan church and school along a circuitous route over the River Suir. See the map at: https://is.gd/DZJlYC

The question is, was there a National School in Boherlahan when your great grandfather Thomas Doyle and his siblings were growing up in Lisbook in the 1830s and 1840s? To find out I accessed an Ordnance Survey Map of Boherlahan from the 1837 to 1841 time period at the GeoHive website. The map shows there was a National School in the same location as the school is today. The church is labeled as the R.C. Chapel on the Ordnance Survey Map, which you can view at: http://bit.ly/2LBX0Yl

It’s possible that Thomas and his siblings went to this school. At that time there may have been a more straight path to the school through the fields from Lisbook to Boherlahan. There is also the possibility however, that Thomas and his siblings learned to read and write locally, either from his parents or from a teacher in or near Lisbook.

Another possibility is the Doyle children may have gone to the National School in Clonoulty when they lived in Lisbook and also when they lived in Ballycamusk/Ballycamus. The Ordnance Survey Map from the 1837 to 1841 time period shows a National School is located across the street from the R.C. Chapel (the present day St. John the Baptist Catholic Church) in Clonoulty. See the map at: http://bit.ly/2LtGBFi

A Google Map shows that the church in Clonoulty is only 3.2 miles west of Lisbook: https://is.gd/62THwg

A Google Street View across the street from the church in Clonoulty however, does not show there is a school there anymore, but the location of Eddie’s Bar and Lounge: https://is.gd/PsG4Ml

Eddie’s Bar and Lounge is in an old stone building, attached to another, longer building.

According to the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage/Buildings of Ireland website, this longer structure was original built as a school circa 1830 in a section of Clonoulty named Churchquarter. See the Buildings of Ireland full description and a photo of the building at: http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=record&county=TS&…

The Buildings of Ireland website also has a description of the church building across the street from the school, noting that it was built in 1876 on the site of a former church. The former church building would have likely been the church where the Doyle family had worshipped in Clonoulty. See a description of the church built in 1876 and a photo of the church at the Buildings of Ireland link at: http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=record&county=TS&…

More photos of the church can be viewed at: http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=images&county=TS&…

You can view a Buildings of Ireland map of the location of the church and school house in Clonoulty at: http://webgis.buildingsofireland.ie/HistoricEnvironment/?REG_NO=22204612

Another Google Map shows that Ballycamusk is only 2.5 miles east of Clonoulty: https://is.gd/nP2RM7

No matter whether the Doyle family had lived in Lisbook or Ballycamusk, it would have been a shorter distance for the children to travel to the National School in Clonoulty than the National School in Boherlahan.

Concerning National School records, contact the Boherlahan-Dualla Historical Journal Society to see if they hold any of the National School records for Boherlahan from the 1830s to the 1850s. You can also enquire if they know if there are any National School records available locally for Clonoulty.

Contact information follows:

Boherlahan-Dualla Historical Journal Society
Boherlahen Parish Hall
Boherlahan, Nodstown South
County Tipperary, Ireland

Email: parishjournal@gmail.com
Website: Boherlahan-Dualla Historical Journal Society

The Journal society was set up in 1997 to provide a means by which the History, Heritage, Folklore, Geography, and Geology of the famed parish of Boherlahan-Dualla can be collected, preserved, and published for the future generations.
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You can also contact Tiperary Local Studies of the Tipperary County Library to see if they hold school records for Boherlahan and Clonoulty, or if a librarian there knows if school records exist for Boherlahan and Clonoulty.

Contact information follows:

Tipperary Studies,
The Source,
Cathedral Street,
Thurles,
Co. Tipperary.
Phone: 0761-06-6123
Email: studies@tipperarycoco.ie
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The home page for Tipperary Libraries can be found at: http://www.tipperarylibraries.ie/

Concerning if any Doyles and Garretts are still living in the Clonoulty/Boherlahan area, you can contact the post office in Clonoulty before you travel to Ireland next year, to see if the post master knows of anyone by these surnames who still reside in the area. You may or may not get a response, but it’s worth a try.

The address for the Clonoulty Post Office is:

Clonoulty Post Office
Clonoulty National School,
Clonoulty Churchquarter,
Cashel, Co. Tipperary, Ireland
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A Google Map shows that the Clonoulty Post Office is only 3.1 miles northwest of Lisbook by the shortest route: https://is.gd/QdEOVF

Another Google Map shows that the Clonoulty Post Office is 5.5 miles northwest of Boherlahan: https://is.gd/c9rBXm

I next wanted to see if I could find John Doyle in an Irish property tax record known as Griffiths Valuation. Griffiths Valuation was enumerated in the 32 counties of Ireland between 1847 and 1864. The valuation for Lisbook and surrounding area was completed by the year 1850.

Unlike a census, Griffiths Valuation did not enumerate individual members of a family, such as husband, wife, and children in a household residence. Those named in the valuation were individuals who paid to lease property, such as land, houses, and outbuildings. Each person who paid to lease the property was called an “Occupier.” The other person listed in Griffiths Valuation was the person who owned the property, or who worked as the middleman for the owner. This person was called the “Immediate Lessor.”

You can access Griffiths Valuation transcriptions and original copies for free at the askaboutireland website link at: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml

I found John Doyle in Griffiths Valuation in Lisbook. Below is a transcription of the entry John Doyle in Griffiths Valuation from the askaboutireland website:

No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 5e
Civil Parish: Holycross
Townland: Librook
Occupier: John Doyle
Immediate Lessor: Michael Slattery
Description of Tenement: House
Area of Land: -
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: -
Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 10 Shillings
Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 10 Shillings
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The Griffiths Valuation transcription above shows that John Doyle leased a house but no land from an Immediate Lessor named Michael Slattery, who was likely the middleman overseeing the property, and not the actual owner of the house. The house was valued at 10 Shillings. John would not have been required to pay a tax on the house as only those properties valued over 5 Pounds were subjected to the tax. In this case, the owner of the house paid the tax.

The absence of land in John’s lease is an indication that he was not a farmer. He may have been in one of the trades. Do you know what John Doyle did for a living Gabe?

The “Reference to Map” number (5e) you see at the top of the valuation entry for John Doyle refers to the location of his property in Lisbook on an Ordnance Survey Map compiled before Griffiths Valuation was enumerated. The Ordnance Survey Map for John’s property as well as for the other leaseholders in Lisbook can be accessed from the askaboutireland website. Finding individual map reference numbers as well as towns themselves can be a challenge with the online Ordnance Survey Maps from askaboutireland, but I did manage to locate John Doyle’s property at map reference 5e in Lisbook. But, I have never been able to attach or link these maps to replies such as this. But, I can show you the approximate location of John Doyle’s house at 5e on another Ordnance Survey Map from the GeoHive website. You can access the map at: http://bit.ly/2LJTkE0

In the center of the map you’ll see a property marker labeled 260. Go to the left of the number 260 and proceed just across the red line and you’ll see representations of small houses. John Doyle’s house was one of these.

I also found a John Garrett and a William Garrett leasing houses in Lisbook. John Garrett’s house was at map reference 2d, while William Garrett’s house was at map reference 4b. The Immediate Lessor for John Garrett’s house was Richard Hennessey, while the Immediate Lessor of William Garrett’s house was Michael Kearney.

John Garrett leased a house, offices, and a garden. The garden was valued at 1 Shillings, while the house and offices were valued at 14 Shillings. The total valuation for John’s property was 15 Shillings. An “office” in Griffiths Valuation refers to some type of outbuilding, such as a barn, stable, blacksmith shop, piggery, etc.

On the other hand William Garrett only leased a house and no land or garden. His house was valued at 15 Shillings. John and William Garrett were likely related to Hannah Garrett Doyle.

See the Griffith Valuation transcriptions for John and William Garrett below:

No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 2d
Civil Parish: Holycross
Townland: Lisbook
Occupier: John Garrett
Immediate Lessor: Richard Hennessey
Description of Tenement: House, offices, and garden
Area of Land: 12 Perches
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: 1 Shilling
Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 14 Shillings
Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 15 Shillings
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No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 4b
Civil Parish: Holycross
Townland: Lisbook
Occupier: William Garrett
Immediate Lessor: Michael Kearney
Description of Tenement: House
Area of Land: -
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: -
Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 15 Shillings
Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 15 Shillings
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I could not locate map reference number 2d or 4b on the Griffiths Valuation Ordnance Survey Map from the askaboutirelandwebsite, but these locations would have been a little north of where John Doyle leased his property in Lisbook.

Moving ahead in time I didn’t find any Doyle’s living in Lisbook in the 1901 census, but I did locate the family of 38 year old John and 36 year old Bridget Garrett and their 4 children residing in Lisbook. The census shows that John was a tailor. No occupation is listed for Bridget. The Garrett children are 12 year old Mary Ellen; 8 year old Katie; 5 year old James; and 2 year old Bridget. All the family members are shown to have been Roman Catholic and born in County Tipperary.

These Garretts may be related to your Garrett ancestors.

I’m not sure how accurate the ages of the Garretts are in the 1901 census, as these old census returns are often very inaccurate when it comes to a person’s age.

The 1901 census transcription below is from the National Archives of Ireland website:

1901 Census of Ireland

Residents of a house 6 in Lisbook (Holycross, Tipperary)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses

Garrett John 38 Male Husband Roman Catholic Tipperary Tailor Read and write Married
Garrett Bridget 36 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Tipperary Read and write Married
Garrett Mary Ellen 12 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Tipperary Scholar Read and write
Not Married
Garrett Katie 8 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Tipperary Scholar Cannot read Not Married
Garrett James 5 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Tipperary Scholar Cannot read Not Married
Garrett Bridget 2 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Scholar Cannot read Not Married
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House 6 in Lisbook does not refer to the street address but the number of the census form.

To view a copy of the original 1901 census from the National Archives of Ireland, go to the following link: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003918332/

The Garrett children may have attended either the National School in Boherlahan or in Clonoulty. The census shows the children were scholars, meaning they were students, though it is doubtful that at age 2 Bridget was attending school.

After locating the 1901 census for the Garrett family, I looked for the civil marriage record for John Garrett and Bridget at the free irishgenealogy.ie website, as the marriage record would record where and when they were married, as well as Bridget’s maiden name, where they were each residing at the time of the marriage, John’s occupation, and also the names and occupations of their fathers.

I didn’t find their marriage record, but I did locate the family in the 1911 census living at house 2 in “Lisbrook,” Tipperary. In the 1911 census John Garrett is now 50 years old, while in the 1901 census he was 38 years old. His occupation is tailor. His wife Bridget is 38 years old. In the 1901 census she was 36 years old, and so as you can see ages in the census returns for 1901 and 1911 do not always add up.

On the census line for Bridget you’ll see the numbers 23, 4, and 4. These numbers mean that John and Bridget had been married for 23 years as of the 1911 census, and that in that time period they had 4 children, with all four children still alive. The child who is not in the 1911 census, but who was with the family in the 1901 census was Mary Ellen. She may have been married by this time or had been working outside the home, or may have emigrated. More on Mary later.

The Garrett children in the 1901 census are 18 year old Kathleen (she was Katie in the 1901 census); 15 year old Jemmy (he was James in the 1901 census); and 12 year old Delia, who was, I think, called Bridget in the 1901.

By the 1911 census Jemmy and Delia were still attending school, as they are recorded as scholars:

1911 Census of Ireland

Residents of a house 2 in Lisbrook (Holycross, Tipperary)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living

Garrett John 50 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Tipperary Tailor Can read and write English Married
Garrett Bridget 48 Female Wife Roman Catholic Tipperary Can read and write English Married
23 4 4
Garrett Kathleen 18 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Tipperary Can read and write English Single
Garrett Jemmy 15 Male Son Roman Catholic Tipperary Scholar Can read and write English
Single
Garrett Delia 12 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Tipperary Scholar Can read and write English Single
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To view a copy of the original 1911 census for the Garrett family go to the National Archives of Ireland website link at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003328362/
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I next wanted to see if I could find a marriage record for John and Bridget Garrett’s daughter Mary Ellen at the irishgenealogy.ie website. I didn’t find a marriage record for her between the years 1901 and 1911. I then looked for her in the 1911 census to see if she may have been employed outside the household. I found one possibility, showing that a 20 year old Mary Garrett was employed as a, “Domestic Servant” in the household of provision merchant David Butler and his wife May. The residence of the Butler family is Main Street, Thurles. Mary Garrett is one of two servants in the household as you’ll see in the 1911 census transcription below:

1911 Census of Ireland

Residents of a house 24 in Main Street (Thurles Urban, Tipperary)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living

Butler David 42 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Tipperary Provision Merchant
Read and write Married
Butler May 28 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Tipperary Read and write Married
Hefferan Ellen 56 Female Mother in Law Roman Catholic Co Tipperary Read and write Married
30 5 4
Fitzpatrick Bridget 20 Female Servant Roman Catholic Co Tipperary Shop Assistant Read and write Single
Garrett Mary 20 Female Servant Roman Catholic Co Tipperary Domestic Servant Read and write Single
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To view a copy of the original 1911 census for the Butler family in Thurles, go to: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003336751/

At this point in the research I was still interested in finding out what Bridget Garrett’s maiden name was. As noted earlier I didn’t find the marriage record for her and John Garrett. The next search involved looking for the civil birth records of the four Garrett children, each of which will record the maiden name of their mother Bridget.

The oldest child of John and Bridget was Mary Ellen. In the 1901 census she was recorded as being 12 years old, placing her year of birth circa 1889. I looked for Mary’s birth record at the irishgenealogy.ie website and found it. Her birth record shows she was born in Lisbook on what appears to be 10 May 1889. Her father is John Garrett, a tailor residing in Lisbook. Her mother is Bridget Garrett, formerly Noble. John Garrett reported Mary’s birth to the local register R.H. Jackman, who recorded the birth on 31 May 1889.

Mary’s birth record is attached to this reply. Her is the first birth recorded in the register at Number 171.

I next looked for the civil birth record for Katie/Kathleen, who was 8 years old in the 1901 census and 18 in the 1911 census, placing her year of birth circa 1893. But in looking for her birth record I came across something that I didn’t expect, and that was for the birth record of Bridget Garrett, who was born in Lisbook on 1 July 1891. This Bridget Garrett would have been 10 years old in the 1901 census, but she wasn’t enumerated in that census. Her birth record shows her father was John Garrett, a tailor residing in Lisbook. Her mother is Bridget Garrett, formerly Noble. John Garrett reported the birth to the local registrar, R.H. Jackman who recorded the birth on 21 August 1891. The birth record is attached to this reply. Bridget’s birth is Number 294 in the register.

The 1911 census shows that John and Bridget Garrett had 4 children with all 4 children still alive, but the birth of this Bridget Garrett in 1891 proves that John and Bridget actually had 5 children rather than 4. But again, the Bridget Garrett born in 1891 is not in the 1901 census. The only thing that made sense is that Bridget must have died, and so I looked for her civil registration death record at the irishgenealogy.ie website and found it. Bridget died in Lisbook on 2 November 1891 at age 5 months. Her age at death is incorrect on the death record as she would not have even reached the age of 3 months by 2 November 1891.

Bridget’s death record further shows that she was the “Daughter of a Tailor,” and that the cause of death was “bronchitis 7 days Certified.” Bridget’s father John reported the death to the local registrar, R.H. Jackman who recorded the death on 23 November 1891. Bridget’s death record is attached to this reply, and is Number 130 in the death register.

I next found the birth record for Kate Garrett. She was born in Lisbook on what looks like 22 May 1893. Her father is John Garrett, a tailor residing in Lisbook. Her mother is Bridget Garrett, formerly Noble. The person who reported the birth to the local registrar and who was present at the birth was Kate Maher. She was probably a midwife. R.H. Jackman recorded the birth on 14 August 1893. Kate’s birth record is attached to this reply. Her birth entry is Number 421 in the birth register.

James Garrett was born in Lisbook on 20 February 1896. His father John Garrett was a tailor residing in Lisbook. James’s mother was Bridget Garrett, formerly Noble. John Garrett reported the birth to the local registrar R.H. Jackman who recorded the birth on 9 March 1896. James’s birth record is attached to this reply. His birth is at Number 94 in the register.

Bridget Garrett, also known as Delia Garrett in the 1911 census, was born in Lisbook on 18 April 1899. Her father was John Garrett, a tailor residing in Lisbook. Her mother is Bridget Garrett, formerly Noble. John Garrett reported the birth of Bridget to the local registrar, R.H. Jackman, who recorded the birth on 8 May 1899. Bridget’s birth record is attached to this reply. Her birth in the register is the last entry at Number 272.

The Garretts in the 1901 and 1911 census enumerations and birth and death records were likely related to the John Garrett in Griffiths Valuation and to your great great grandmother, Hannah Garrett who married John Doyle.

The five birth records for the Garrett children show their mother’s maiden name was Noble. With this information I went back to Griffiths Valuation at the askaboutireland website to see if there was an Occupier named Noble leasing property in Lisbook near John Doyle and John and William Garrett.

Graiffiths Valuation shows that a William Noble leased a house at Map Reference 6b in Lisbook, from an Immediate Lessor named Catherine Quinlan. The house was valued at 8 Shillings. See the Griffiths transcription below:

No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 6b
Civil Parish: Holycross
Townland: Lisbook
Occupier: William Noble
Immediate Lessor: Catherine Quinlan
Description of Tenement: House
Area of Land: -
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: -
Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 8 Shillings
Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 8 Shillings
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Gabe, there may or may not be any Doyles you are related to in the Lisbook, Boherlahan, Longfield, and Ballycamusk areas of County Tipperary, as I didn’t find Doyles in any of those townlands in the 1901 and 1911 census enumerations. But, there may still be Garretts in the area, and so, if you enquire about the Doyle family at the Clonoulty Post Office, also ask if any Garretts are still living nearby, as they may be relatives of yours.

Speaking of Garretts, I found John Garrett’s death record at the irishgenealogy.ie website, showing he died in Lisbook on 14 May 1913. At the time of death he was married. His occupation was “Tailor.” The cause of death was, “Bronchitis 8 days, Heart disease 2 years, Certified.” The person who reported the death to the local registrar was John’s son James, who was present at the death and who was residing in Lisbook. The registrar, R.H. Jackman, recorded John’s death on 23 May 1913. John’s death is the last entry at Number 402 in the death register, which is attached to this reply.

I also found what may be Bridget Garrett’s death record at irishgenealogy.ie. This record shows that a Bridget Garrett died in the Hospital of the Assumption, Thurles, on what appears to be January 25, 1953. The death record shows that her residence had been, what looks like, “Lisbuke.” There is also another word under Lisbuke which in part looks like Gools…something. More on this later. Bridget was a 92 year old widow when she died in 1953, placing her year of birth circa 1861. Her occupation had been “House-Keeper.” The cause of death was, “Senility Certified.” The “Occupier” of the Hospital of the Assumption, whose name I couldn’t make out, reported Bridget’s death to the local registrar, whose name I also could not make out. The hand writing in this record is not very good. Bridget’s death was recorded on 31 January 1953. Bridget’s death record is attached to this reply and is Number 296 in the death register.

I once again accessed a Google Map of Lisbook to see if there was a nearby townland that begins with Goolds Cross just 2.1 miles west of Lisbook. See the map at: https://is.gd/r02jus

For a Google Street View of Goolds Cross, see: https://is.gd/s4ctTJ

Goolds Cross in the death record for Bridget may have been a reference location. Bridget had likely resided in Lisbook before she went to the Hospital of the Assumption in Thurles.

Today, the Hospital of the Assumption is known as the Community Hospital of the Assumption, on Leugh Road, in a suburb of Thurles called Gortataggart. The hospital is on the location of the former Thurles Union Workhouse where the poor were sent. Bridget would have died in one of the old workhouse buildings, which were demolished in 2004 to make way for new hospital buildings.

To read more about the old Thurles workhouse and to view photos of the old workhouse buildings, go to the workhouses.org.uk link at: http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Thurles/

A Google Map shows that the Community Hospital of the Assumption in Thurles is 10.2 miles northeast of Lisbook by the shortest route. See: https://is.gd/FSaLRp

For a Google Street View of the hospital go to: https://is.gd/L3lza5

You can also view the location of the workhouse in Gortataggart, Thurles, on an Ordnance Survey Map from the 1837 to 1841 time period at the GeoHive website link at: http://bit.ly/2LSkCIA

On the map Thurles is located in the lower right, and the “Union Work Ho.” in the upper left. You can close the menu to view a more complete map.

JOHN DOYLE AND HANNAH GARRETT

I notice in your message to Ireland Reaching Out that you didn’t mention the marriage of John Doyle and Hannah Garrett, and so I don’t know if you have their marriage record or not.

I found a transcription of their marriage at the Find My Past (FMP) website, which is mainly a subscription-based or Pay-As-You-Go website, but does not charge to search Catholic baptisms, marriages, and available church burial transcriptions for all of Ireland for much of the 19th century.

The search engine for the FMP baptism transcriptions can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/jnmqmuv

The search engine for Catholic marriages can be accessed at: http://tinyurl.com/jzylkjy

For Catholic Parish burial transcriptions go to the search engine at: http://tinyurl.com/j9qe5p9

Bear in mind however that not all Catholic Church Parishes in Ireland kept burial records.

In turn, and most importantly, attached to the FMP baptism, marriage, and burial transcriptions are links that will take you to copies of the original parish registers held by the National Library of Ireland in Dublin.

The FMP transcription of the marriage for John and Hannah is under copyright, and takes up a great deal of room, and so I haven’t included it in this reply. But you can access the full transcription at the FMP link at: https://www.findmypast.com/transcript?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FMAR%2F0076260%2F1

In the transcription you’ll see that Hannah’s first name is recorded as “Anne.” She and John were married in the Boherlahan Catholic Parish on 25 November 1832. Attached to the transcription is a link that will take you to a copy of the original Boherlahan marriage register held by the National Library of Ireland. You can access the marriage register at: https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632660#page/121/mode/1up

You’ll see there are two facing pages to the register. The marriage for John and Anne is on the right hand page, 2nd entry down from the bottom. You can enlarge the page by means of round icons in the upper center/ right of the screen. The icons are white with green backgrounds. You can also access the full-screen function by clicking on the last icon on the right with the two arrows pointing northeast and southwest.

You’ll see that the marriage entry is very faded, but readable in parts. Because of the fading I couldn’t make out the name of the priest who married John and Anne, and am not sure about the names of the witnesses. One of the witnesses appears to be Ed Garrett. The first name of the second witness appears to be Ellen. I couldn’t make out her last name. Unfortunately the residence of John and Anne at the time of marriage is not recorded in the register.

CONCLUSION

This reply includes the following 8 attachments:

Mary Garrett’s 1889 birth
Bridget Garrett’s 1891 birth
Bridget Garrett’s 1891 death
Kate Garrett’s 1893 birth
James Garrett’s 1896 birth
Bridget Garrett’s 1899 birth
John Garrett’s 1913 death
Bridget Garrett’s 1953 death

Best Wishes Gabe. I hope you are successful in locating long lost Doyle and Garrett cousins when you go to Tipperary in May of next year.

Dave Boylan

Dear Dave,

I can not thank you enough for the enormous time and effort you have put into researching my Doyle and Garrett relatives for me! The information you have provided me with is amazing, and means so much to me.

I have only been researching my family tree now for a little over a year, and the most challenging part, is knowing where and how to access information about my Irish relatives. I really appreciated the way you explained how your researched your finds, providing me with the associated links, and explanations. I will definitely be exploring all those links and suggestions, and can't wait to uncover more information about the Doyles and Garretts.

I didn't have any marraige details for John Doyle and Hannah Garrett, but thanks to you, I now know how to access the original Boherlahan marriage regster for them, held by the National Library of Ireland. It's so nice to have confirmation that they were married in the Boherlahan Catholic Parish on 25 November 1832.

I will definitely follow up re your suggestions about information concerning National School Records from both the Boherlahan - Dualla Historical Journal Society and the Tipperary Local Studies of the Tipperary County Library. You never know what information they could provide me with! I would never have known where to start about sourcing that information.

I have only recently discovered the wealth of information which can be gained by accessing the Griffith's Valuation trancriptions and associated maps, as well as the Ordance Survey maps, through askaboutireland website. It was great to get confirmation from you, that we sourced the same information about John Doyle, in the Griffith's Valuation of Lisbook. I was also puzzled that John was only noted as leasing a house, but no land or garden, and concluded that he must have had a trade, which didn't require him to lease land. Unfortunately I don't know what John Doyle's occupation was, but do know that his son Thomas was a farm labourer.

I think I may have discovered a baptism record for Hannah Garrett through rootsireland. This record notes that she was baptised on 9 June 1811 at St Anne's, Shankill, County Antrim, Church of Ireland. Her father was listed as William Garrett and her mother as Anne Garrett. I also discovered a Griffith's Valuation for William Garrett, in Antrim, listing him as leasing a house and yard. Number and letters of reference to map: 18.

Occupier: William Garrett

Lessor: Robert Stewart

County: Antrim

Barony: Massereene, Upper

Parish: Blaris

Townland: Tonagh

OS Page nmbers: 64 and 68

Self residence County: Antrim

I agree, that William and John Garrett, are most likely related to Hannah Garrett n some way. It is going to be an interesting journey piecing together how thesse other Garretts fit into my family tree. Your suggestions and attached files should help a great deal. Hopefully I will have some success in locating my long lost Doyle and Garrett cousins when I visit Tipperary in May next year.

Once again, thank you so much for all your help in my journey of discovery with my Doyle and Garrett relatives - it is very much appreciated.

Gabrielle Meyer

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're welcome Gabrielle , and many thanks for the kind words. They are very much appreciated.

All the best for a successful trip to Ireland next year.

With Kind Regards,

Dave