Michael Carlon and Catherine /Kate Ruddy

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I checked the subscription site Roots Ireland for Belmullet RC parish and located this 1874 baptismal record for a Catherine Ruddy in Ederglen. Likely this is your Kate. There are four Michael Carolan baptismal records in Belmullet RC parish-two in 1871, one in 1872 and the other in 1874. Not sure which is your Michael. I was not able to locate a church or civil marriage record. A civil record would show the names of the fathers.

Roger McDonnell

Name:Catherine RuddyDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:29-Nov-1874Address:EderglanParish/District:BELMULLETGender:FemaleCountyMAYO
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Owen RuddyMother:Bridget GaughanOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Pat Monaghan Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Mary Davitt 

Thank you Roger,

I was given a possible marriage date for a Michael Carlin to a Catherine Ruddy on 25/02/1896 with her address being Mount Jubilee. Also a possible baptismal date of 21/09/1860 for Michael Carrolan,parents John Carrolan and Barbara McHugh which would tie in with his ages on the 1901/1911 census and death in 1949 aged 90 in Ederglen.

Also of possible siblings and baptismal dates: Judith(1850); Hugh(1858); and Mary(1866). These names seem to tie in with names given to Michael and Kates children with the exception of Martin who was their 3rd child, no Judith. (Bridget, John; Martin; Mary ; Michael; Hugh; Kate; Anne; and Barbara. bridget, John , michael and Anne came over to UK in 1920 and 1930)I used these names to try and relate to michaels and Catherines parents names.

 On the 1901 census Catherine is aged 30 but 36 on 1911 census, I have a death recorded for her on 15/02/1920 in Ederglen aged 40, registerd by her husband Michael, Also possible baptismal date of 12/04/1870 and possible  birth date of 24/03/1870 parents Patrick Ruddy and Mary Nearey so that is why I am confused as to which one to follow.

Brenda

Brenda:

I did find a transcription of the marriage record on the subscription site Roots Ireland and as you indicated Catherine was from Mount Jubilee. See below

I did not find the 1860 baptismal record for a Michael Carolan with the parents you listed but did find a number of records with those parents:Hugh 1858 Mary 1866 Anne 1868 Peter 1870 Bartly 1871  Here is the link to the Belmullet parish register https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0742  You can search for Judith and Michael.

I located the 1870 baptismal record for a Catherine Ruddy. See below. Not sure why the 1911 census and the death record made her younger each time. It is unfortunate that there is no civil marriage record (or at least it has not shown up). That record if it exists may show an exact age although many times the record shows "Full" age for someone 21 or older.  Hard to say whether she is the 1870 or 1874 Catherine Ruddy.

Roger

Date of Marriage:25-Feb-1896
Parish / District:BELMULLET
County:MAYO
Husband  MichaelCarlin Address Unknown
Wife CathRuddyAddress:Mount Jubilee
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Witness 1  Name:AnthonyCarlin
Witness 2 BgtMunnellyAddress:

Name:Catherin RuddyDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:25-Mar-1870Address:UnknownParish/District:BELMULLETGender:FemaleCountyMAYO
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Pat RuddyMother:Mary NeareyOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Richd. Meehan Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Bridget Hardgrave 

Thank you Roger,

I think I will try your original suggestion:

Name:Catherine RuddyDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:29-Nov-1874Address:EderglanParish/District:BELMULLETGender:FemaleCountyMAYO
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Owen RuddyMother:Bridget GaughanOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Pat Monaghan Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Mary Davitt 

After you sent me details above, I found this on Familysearch which I think is probably the same child that the details above state ??

Name:CatherineGender:Female

Christening Place:81, BANGOR, MAYO, IRE

Birth Date:24 Mar 1870

Birthplace:Bangor, Mayo, Ire

Father's Name:Patrick Ruddy

Mother's Name:Mary Narry

Catherine Ruddy

Ireland Deaths, 1864-1870

Name:Catherine Ruddy

Gender:FemaleEvent

Date:18 May 1870

Event Place:Faulagh,

County Mayo

Age:0Birth Date:1870Occupation:

Child Of Farmer

Marital Status:Single on Familysearch:

Ire-read the death certificate for 1920 and it was age 46, I increased the size of the font !

How  can I obtain a church marriage certificate ??

I will give the church records a bash.

Brenda

Hello Roger,

The parish register was quite good, I found Michael Carrolan for 1860 parents John Carrolan . Barbara McHugh but it  had a date attached 16/12/29, which I think may be a death date. Fingers crossed I did find a michael Carrolan baptism 01/01/1863 Parents : Michael Carrolan, Mary Gaughan. Sponsors Pat Gaughan and Ann Gaughan; this would tie in with the ages given on the 1901/1911 census and death certificate?? Didnt say where the baptism took place though. I did wonder if this was a second marriage to Catherine ruddy because of the age difference?

Brenda

Brenda:

I agree that the dates annotated to the baptismal record were likely death dates. However, I did not find a civil death record in 1929 for a Michael Carolan.Maybe the death was not registered.

You would have to write to the church if you want a marriage record.

Roger

Hello Roger,

Yes I found a death for that date,but in Dublin South, so have ruled out Michael Carrolan 1860. I have 2 marriages from Belmullet church records, which I think are probably the same person:

1879.02.09 Michael Carlin (Mount Jubilee) to Catherine O'Malley (Derrycorib)

1896.02.25 Michael Carlin ( Mount Jubilee) to Catherine Ruddy ( Ederglen)

I couldn't find a death for Catherine O'Malley, or is it just coincidence?

Brenda

Hello Roger,

I looked at the baptismal dates that you gave me, there is a  Michael Carlin born 27/10/1872 in Bangor, Father : Anthony Carlin. Mother:Anne Munnelly. I did notice on marriage of michael Carlin and Catherine Ruddy in 1896 Mount Jubilee the sponsor was Anthony Carlin and Bridget Munnelly any correlation??

I found  Michael Carolan Born:16/1/1871 Father;Pat Carolan .Mother: Ellen Congan . Still looking for the other one you mentioned.

Also I found the death registration for Michael Carlin in 1949 Ederglen the person who notified was Frank Connors. Kate the daughter of Michael Carolan and Catherine Ruddy born 1909 was married to a Frank Connors in 1942, I assume that this was her husband notifying? Do you know if they kate and frank are still about ??

Brenda

Brenda:

Below is the other 1871 baptismal record.for Michael Carolan in Belmullet parish. Frank Connors was likely the son in law.

Since Kate was born in 1909, I would expect that she and Frank are deceased. 

Roger

Name:Michl. CarollanDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:16-Jul-1871Address:UnknownParish/District:BELMULLETGender:MaleCountyMAYO
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Denis CarollanMother:Anne DeaneOccupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Andrew Carolan Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Pegg O'Mally 

Hello Roger,

Thank You. I also  had  that one in the Church registers but couldn't read the sponsors. Denis Carollan and Anne Deane married 13/03/1868

Also found Michael Carolan 7/10/1872 Parents: Anthony Carolan and Nancy ? , Sponsors Denis and Bridget Carolan.

                  Michael Carolan 2/08/1874 Parents Pat Carolan and Bridget Cosgrove,( married 13/03/1868  Glencastle)) Sponsors Henry Barratt and Bridget Reilly

                  Michael Carlin 27/10/1872  Parents Anthony Carlin and Anne Nonelly or Munnelly ( married 13/02/1870 ) Sponsors I couldn't read

 I don't have marriages  for : Parents: Pat Coralan and Ellen Corrigan of Michael Carolan 15/01/1871 Sponsors Judy and John Carolan

                                                   Parents:  Anthony Carolan and Nancy? of Michael Carrolan 7/10/1872

So my method is to try and look at place of marriage to see if that will determine which Michael Carlin married Catherine Ruddy in 1896 at Mount Jubilee. I think I am correct in surmising that at marriages the Husband went to the home town of his spouse.?

I am pleased that you suggested the parish church registers, they are so interesting socially, and test your deciphering skills.!

I thought there may have been some Connor family of Kate and Frank Connor still living in Ederglen.

Hello Roger,

looking at the 1901 and 1911 census I think I have reduced possible spouses to:

Michael Carolan 7/10/1872 and 27/10/1872 are the same person. Parents Anthony Carolan and Nancy (Anne) Munnelly. God parents: Denis Carolan and Bridget Carolan.

Michael Carolan B:15/01/1871 : Parents: Pat Carolan and Ellen Corrigan. Godparents: John Carolan and Judy Carolan

what does C15.9.41 against a name mean ?

Brenda

Brenda:

Likely the death date but not sure about the C.

Roger

Hello Roger,

Thank You for all your help. Using the 1911 census and death certificate I think I may have solved the problem !911 census showed years married in this case 15 which taken away gave 1896. did the same for ages gave DOB which was correct. Same with death certificate.

Are you able to help with this query? Barbara Carolan born 10/03/1912 Ederglen. Parents: Michael Carolan & Catherine Ruddy also her brother Hugh born:24/07/1907.

Many Thanks,

Brenda

Barbara’s civil birth record shows March 10th 1913. Hugh April 25th 1907.

Roger

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01448/1592042.pdf

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01694/1672357.pdf

Hello Roger

Thank you.

  I believe my Great Grandmother Barbara McHugh was born (1835 ish) and married (1856 / 7) in Bangor Erris but I found information regarding Bangor Erris Parish being divided into Killa and Kilcommon on September 5 1873 ? Where was it before?

Brenda

Brenda:

The northwest part of Co. Mayo is a vast expanse of land. I went on the website for the Diocese of Killala and found info for both parishes Kilcommon Erris and Kilmore Erris. Both parishes have a number of subordinate chapels. Kilcommon Erris parish was founded around 1826 but records are available starting in 1860. The web site for Kilmore has less historical info and records start around 1860.

Roger

http://kilcommonerrisparish.com/?page_id=14

https://www.killaladiocese.org/parishes-ministries/parish-details/?parishID=16

Hello Roger,

No luck .I used the naming  suggestion to see if iIcould find parents for Barbara Mc Hugh and John Carolan.this suggested Hugh and Mary Carolan and Hugh and Judith  Ruddy. I then went onto the Tithe books and found Michael in County Leitrim 1834, and Hugh in the Magaunagh Parish Crossmolina area.Is it likely that these are the fathers of Barbara and John?  I estimated the age years from the first birth in 1856 to be about 1834 to1838? Any ideas where to go?

 Incidentally I couldn't find either in this area on the Griffths Valaution.

brenda

Brenda:

Those Tithe records have no connection to your family.

I don't have any other suggestions.

Rogert

Roger,

I am writing to say a BIG Thank You for all your help with finding records and most of all my Carolan, Ruddy and extended family.

Roger,

I am writing to say a BIG Thank You for all your help with finding records and most of all my Carolan, Ruddy and extended family.