LEWIS or LUIS or SPAIN?

Sorry - I couldn't even spell my name properly!

Frances Sheldrick 

My Marion Crowe it seems may have been born in Spain or Gibraltar.

I am on a similar brick wall.  She was married in Killaloe Diocese.  I am trying to find a spanish connection as well.

Best wishes,

B Barber

Hi Frances, I am not relted to you or any of the other names mentioned, I just try to help.
This link is the Parish book for Catherine Luther.
Born 27th and Baptised on the 28th September 1833. Right hand page.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634662#page/66/mode/1up
It took a bit for finding, I wanted to see this record to confirm the entry in the Tithe records (Taxes/rents paid 1823 to 1837)
This record shows a Joseph Luther in a place called Crotta, Borrisokane. This area is on the Cloughjordan Road to the right of Borrisokane.
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?…
Actual record page =
4th record from the bottom.
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004587408/00…
Crotta, Borrisokane map
https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/lower-ormond/borrisokane/borrisokane…

Hardly any deaths were recorded before 1864, this was when the Civil records were introduced.

William Lewis..................
With your spelling of Luis, I thought , ok, possibly in Latin or Spanish...........I saw this...........
Guillermo Luis  (William)
Spain Baptisms, 1502-1940
birth: 25 June 1816
christening: 30 June 1816
San Cipriano, Fuensaldaña, Valladolid, Spain
residence: 1816 Fuensaldaña, Valladolid, Spain
father: Segundo Luis
mother: Rosalia Lopez

I am not saying it is your William but thta is all I could find.

Lets hope you find your info.
Margot

Hi B Barber,
Killaloe Diocese, it is also a town in Clounty Clare, this is across the river from Ballina in County Tipperary.
What year did Marion marry?
What was her married name?
Margot

Margot, thanks for the research!  The Catherine Luther you found in Borrisokane is my great-grandmother. I have pretty well documented (what there is) on that family - except there is nothing conclusive beyond that. They just vanish.

The information on Guillermo Luis is interesting. Supposedly, the William Lewis who married Margaret Clarke was born in Ireland. His father, also William Lewis, was born in Spain, so it would have been earlier than 1816 (probably 1790s).  But it is a lead worth pursuing. When families moved around, they often gave incorrect dates or places of birth - just to make our work more difficult!

Thanks, again.

Frances Sheldrick

Margot, I looked up the name Segundo and all it means is "born second." So, possibly this is another William Lewis also.

Frances

Ms Secrette,

Can we start a new thread on my Mary Anne Crowe post? I have some of her history on the post.

https://www.irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/history-and-genealogy/ancestor-dat…

She married Daniel Malone in 1849. I have the records.  I will look at them again.and see.

I will add more info soon.

thanks so much for responding.

Hi Frances, Yes, I looked up the meaning of Segundo as well. 
I know a little girl with the name Bo, it’s Irish for cow!
It was when I read this line in your post...................
for burial records for a William Lewis, residing in Tipperary but born in Spain
That's why I went to look in Spanish records.
Like I said, it may not be him.
Margot

Hi MilkMaid or B Barber,
You say............
Can we start a new thread on my Mary Anne Crowe post? I have some of her history on the post.
I am not related to you or your family I just try to help.

https://www.irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/history-and-genealogy/ancestor-data...
After reading this link, she wasn't Marion until in the USA and wasn't born in Spain...............as you have her birth in County Clare.

also, you say………………………..
It relates to her father being an officer in the English army and the grandson of the Duke of Ormond.
You should be able to get all this info on line, you would need which number Earl the granfather is. Going by the years could be from 15th 16th or 17th Earl.
Then trace the down. Like I said a lot of digging.
Margot

The fellow who found her marriage record and children's baptisms said that it was common for a Mary Ann to be Marion in the US.  The first census she is mentioned in says Mary A. Malone.  

I have other documents which mention her birth as Spain, Gibraltar and France listed variously on censuses and other documents of her children.

I did learn that Ireland kept no records of the people who left. So I will look at immigration records here in US.

I have searched all I can on the Duke of Ormond side. Someone said I must look at records kept in Austria, as Ireland wouldn't have them.

Any suggestions regarding the Spanish birth?

Hi,
As Ireland was part of Britain until 1948, records are held in Kew.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
Some on line, if you search the site it will tell you where the records are.
Ancestry WorldWide has records via the National Archives.
I am not a member now, maybe worth joing for a month.
Ship and air records are listed in Ancestry to the USA and other countries.

family search does have 18.1 million Spanish birth records.

This is an informative site
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_Ormond_(Ireland)
Margot