My grandfather was born in the Village of Bansha in 1873. His mother's family (Keating) lived in Carriganagh and his father's in Barnlough.(Whelan/Phelan)
I know the two parishes were combined and the records are for both, but when were they separate parishes? Were/are there two separate churches? Did the people living in these two townlands go to the village of Bansha or to Kilmoyler.
When the Keatings married in 1835 in the town of Tipperary the record noted after his name - Kilmoyler).
I live in a modern combined parish in New York. Old timers still go to their original parish church unless there is a special event even though everything is combined, records, collections, bulletin, First Communion, etc.
I'm trying to learn more about the life of my ancestors and would like to know where they likely went to church.
Thanks
Mary Colbert, Beacon, New York
MaryColbert
Thursday 4th May 2017, 02:40PMMessage Board Replies
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Mary:
Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!
I located this Wikipedia article which indicates the parish was united in 1858.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bansha
We do have a parish liaison who covers Bansha so I will contact her and let her get back to you.
Roger McDonnell
Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
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Just read your post about Bansha, Kilmoyler.
I have Keaty/Keatings in those Parishes, but on the male line.
Can only 'document' them at Kilmoyler with a birth and marriage in 1864.A father "William Keaty" died before 1864.
His son "John Keaty" married Mary Griffin in 1864 - he was a widower, so a previous marriage.
John's son, "William Keaty" born 1864.Have been researching the Keaty/Keatings in Bansha for years, so if you can make a connection -
or if Bansha researchers can help, I would be very grateful......Have previously posted these details under "Keaty" on Ireland XO.
Robyn
DownUnder
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Hello Mary
The Church of the Annunciation is in the townland of Ballinlough, which is the Main Street in Bansha , and was built in 1807 . The old , now renovated , church is still standing next to it ..
The church of Our Lady of the Assumption in Kilmoyler is about half way between Bansha and Cahir and building commenced 1805 .Prior to that the church was in the townland of Ballymorris.
As mentioned above the 2 parishes were joined in 1858 and people tend to attend their nearest church for services . The "mother" church is the 1 in Bansha village and the parish office is based there .
The residents of Barnlough & Carriganagh would have more then likely attended the church in Kilmoyler .
In recent times the village of Bansha is centre of the community but 200 years + ago Kilmoyler and surrounding townlands were a hive of actitivy - There were Forges , quarterly fairs and markets . well attended and reportedly very high standards of teaching "Barn" (Hedge) schools - sports field, lime kilns - all signs of a vibrant locality ..
Regards
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Thanks for the quick responses. I thought they may have attended the church in Kilmoyler, but wasn't sure. We always heard about the church in the village because my grandfather lived there. He had an old postcard of the Bansha church.
Robyn - I do see the name Keaty in records, don't know if there is a connection to my Keatings or how.
Mary
MaryColbert
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Hi Cordangan
That was interesting about the life in Kilmoyer. Like Mary my husband's ancestors had Kilmoyer or mentioned Cahir in their death certificates. The Britts lived in Cappauniac and three of the sons of Edmund Britt and Mary Fitzpatrick moved to Australia and one to New York. One of the descendants of John Britt (a cousin) went to Ireland and met descendants who are now Brett. one son remained we think called Edmond and had grandchildren called O'Donnell.
I have been working on the family tree but unable to find relatives there. We had a researcher who helped us locate the exact townland of Cappauniac. Could you tell me where the Britts would have been buried - is that in Killadriffe.
Are there any pictures of Cappuniac anywhere and is that the same name now?
Regards
catherine britt
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Hi Catherine
Cappauniac is still there
There were several Brett/Britt families in Cappauniac during your time of interest and yes there are still descendants living there
They were buried in Kilaldriffe graveyard which is in the townland of Toureen
Some headstones have been transcribed and are listed here http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/cemeteries/cem_kiladriffe.htm
You can take a look at Cappauniac on Google maps - it is mostly rural farm land https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Cappauniac,+Co.+Tipperary/@52.4130697,…
Cordangan Tipperary
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Thank you
Could you tell me how the ancestors would have travelled from Bansha. Would they travel to Cork to Queenstown or Ballina in those days? Where the immigration agents located to help them.
There are no marriage records for our ancestor despite searches by Tipperary centre. we were told that they married in Cahir. Is there a chapel there or were the ancestors saying that they were married to get a different fare.
We have a lovely lace shawl - baptismal one that was brough out in 1850. Was lace making a big industry. Our researcher told us that we have a lace maker who is a Britt/Brett descendant.
I am hoping that decendants could us through this discussion board. thank you again.
catherine
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Hi Catherine
The marriage register for Bansha Kilmoyler began in Jan 1822 and its possible that Edmund Britt and Mary Fitzpatrick married prior to then .. Cahir register began earlier but I am not finding them marrying there either .
Bansha was lucky enough to be served by good public transport back then .. From 1820' Bianconi coaches picked up passengers twice daily for Clonmel and on to Waterford , Thus making Waterford a popular departure port with locals . The railway station opened in Bansha on the 1 May 1853 on the Waterford Limerick line and for a while both Waterford and Limerick ports were popular departure ports . Landlords / Board of Guardians sometimes signed up tenants to emigration schemes and contributed to the cost of tickets .. There were travel agents in both Tipperary and Cahir towns and shipping lines heavilly advertised upcoming sailings in the newspapers ..
Lacemaking was popular here .The pieces were handsewn at home and the high quality ones sold for export .
Cordangan Tipperary
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