Fanning and O'Brien Famlies Kickham St Clonmel.

Hi Jennifer,

Then 1911 Irish Census (free at census.nationalarchives.ie/) has the O'Briens:

Residents of a house 8 in Kickham Row (Clonmel East Urban, Tipperary)

SurnameForenameAgeSexRelation to headReligionBirthplaceOccupationLiteracyIrish LanguageMarital StatusSpecified IllnessesYears MarriedChildren BornChildren Living

OBrienThomas44MaleHead of FamilyRoman CatholicTipperaryFiremanRead and write-Widower---

OBrienKate15FemaleDaughterRoman CatholicTipperaryScholarRead and write-Single----OBrienMargaret11FemaleDaughterRoman CatholicTipperaryScholarRead and write-Single----OBrienAlice5FemaleDaughterRoman Catholic

Here they are in 1901:

Residents of a house 20 in Kickham Street (Clonmel East Urban, Tipperary)

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SurnameForenameAgeSexRelation to headReligionBirthplaceOccupationLiteracyIrish LanguageMarital StatusSpecified Illnesses

O'BrienPatrick48MaleHusbandRoman CatholicCo TipperaryLabourer GenrlRead and writeEnglishMarried-O'BrienMary46FemaleWifeRoman CatholicCo Tipperary-Read and write-Married-

O'BrienThomas44MaleSonRoman CatholicCo TipperaryBox MakerRead and write-Not Married-O'BrienMichael22MaleSonRoman CatholicCo TipperaryPorter-Grocer'sRead and write-Not Married-O'BrienBridget20FemaleDaughterRoman CatholicCo TipperaryFactory Hand CreameryRead and write-Not Married-O'BrienJohn18MaleSonRoman CatholicCo TipperaryGroomRead and write-Not Married-O'BrienMary16FemaleDaughterRoman CatholicCo TipperaryFactory Hand CreameryRead and write-Not Married-O'BrienEllie14FemaleDaughterRoman CatholicCo TipperaryScholarRead and write-Not Married-O'BrienKate11FemaleDaughterRoman Catholic

Mary's death record (though house number differs) from www.rootsireland.ie/:

Name:MaryO'BrienDate of Death:08-Dec-1913
Age:52Parish / District:CLONMELAddress:38 Kickham StCounty:Co. Tipperary

Status:MarriedDenomination:Civil Parish

Occupation:WIFE OF LABOURER Sex:Female
Graveyard InformantGraveyard:
Relationship:HouseholderParish:
Name:Katie O'BrienCounty:
Address:38 Kickham St

Notes:

C.O.D.: HEMIPLEGIA, HEART FAILURE
DURATION: 2 YEARS
P.O.D.: 38 KICKHAM ST

Residents of a house 45 in Kickham Street (Clonmel East Urban, Tipperary)

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SurnameForenameAgeSexRelation to headReligionBirthplaceOccupationLiteracyIrish LanguageMarital StatusSpecified IllnessesYears MarriedChildren BornChildren LivingFanningWilliam44MaleHead of FamilyRoman CatholicCo TipperaryHouse PainterRead write-Single----FanningThomas40MaleBrotherRoman CatholicCo TipperaryHouse PainterRead write-Single----FanningElizabeth30FemaleSisterRoman Catholic

I couldn't find a May Dempsey in the Census in Tipperary.

Col

Thank you so much Col. I think that the O'Brien family at 38 Kickham St are my relatives and that Mary O'Brien is my great great aunt. May Dempesy, my grand mother was born in Brisbane , so I would be surprised if you found anything about her in Ireland. If it is not to much trouble , Mary's sister Ellen Fanning was born in Clonmel , but left in the late 1880's and settled in Brisbane. She left a daughter behind named Johanna, birth 1884? I think Johanna, or Annie , as she was know by the family, father was Patrick Dempsey, my great grandfather. He and Ellen married in Brisbane. Thank you once again, I visited Clonmel last year and walked Kickham St. Love it. Jen

Hi Jen

Here's Johanna

Name:Johanna FanningDate of Birth:20-Jan-1881
Registration Date:29-Jan-1881Address:Fethard RoadParish/District:CLONMELGender:FemaleCountyCo. Tipperary
Denomination:Civil Parish
Father:Unknown UnknownMother:Ellen FanningOccupation:Unknown
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Kate Maher

www.rootsireland.ie/ has Fanning baptisms in Clonmel Civil Parish but they only start in 1865. There are records for O'brien Thomas & Ellen but not with matching parents; none for Catherine.

The R C registers are free to search online (registers.nli.ie/). There are baptisms for Clonmel 1843-64; 1864-78; 1836-51 & 1859-81. It's hard going but you might find them there.

Col  

Thank you once again Col, I will look at the baptism records for Clonmel. I think Johanna born in 1881 is my great aunt. Does you investigation suggest that both of her parents were unknown ? Also I am uncertain of Address Fethard and sponsor 1 . Is the sponsor Kate Maher? Also a little confused as to what Civil parish refers to. Thank you once again . Johanna died in Brisbane during the WW2. Jen

I'm afraid the copy & paste from www,rootsireland.ie/ is not great; father 'unknown unknown' means neither his first or last name is known; mother is Ellen Fanning

Fethard should be Fethard Road. Spponsor 1 is the only one given and it's Kate Maher

Civil Parishes (govt) records started in 1864; prior to that church records were the source.

Col

Thank you Col, I was able to google Fethard Rd and saw that it was in walking distance of Kickham. I also looked at the church records and found Johanna's baptism at St Peters and Paul. The writhing was difficult and I had to google the Latin at the top of the register. I noted that there is only one parent and that one of the "susceptorum " was a Patritus ( is that Patrick ?) O'Brien . I think that was Ellen's brother-in - law . The "celebrantis" , I think this is the priest, was a different name to others in the register. Would the fact that Johanna was illegitimate have anything to do wth that?  If it is not too much trouble would you be able to help me with Ellen's family? I think she was born in Clonmel in 1858 and probably baptised at St Peters & Paul, parents could be Michael and Bridget. Where would I look to see if she had any other siblings besides Mary O'Brien. I know I am asking a great deal, but would it be possible to find out anything about Kate Maher, if she was a neighbour ???  Thank you Col. Best wishes  Jen.

Good morning Col. I am thinking of visiting Clonmel in 2017. Would it be possible to view the baptismal records at St Peters and Paul? And is there a local historical society I could make connection with? Thank you and best wishes Jen

Hi Jen,

Assumptions above correct.

Here's the Clonmel info:

St. Peter and Paul’s Church have records since the middle of the 1800’s of marriages, baptisms and deaths. They would need fairly accurate details of dates as they do not have these on computer and must look back through the books. These books are not available to the public.
St. Peter and Paul’s Parish Church 
Gladstone Street
Clonmel
Contact: 052 6122138
E-mail: parishpeterandpaul@eircom.net

St. Mary’s Church 
Irishtown
Clonmel
Contact: 052 6122954

If you are searching for a particular grave location, contact the Town Hall as the cemetery records are held here.
Clonmel Civic Offices
Emmet Street 
Clonmel
Contact: 076 1065000
E-mail: customerservices@tipperarycoco.ie

The South Tipperary Archives currently hold records for South Tipperary County Council, and the urban authorities of Clonmel Borough, Carrick on Suir, Cashel and Tipperary, Fethard Town Commissioners and Clonmel Rural District . Thet also hold material on Clonmel Gasworks, The Workman’s boat club Clonmel, Tipperary Workhouse, the Watson family Ballingarrane and Donoughmore Estate Knocklofty.

South Tipperary Archives 
Carrigeen Business Park, 
Clonmel 
Co. Tipperary
By appointment only
Telephone:+353 (52) 6172319
E-mail:roisin.ogrady@southtippcoco.ie

Tipperary South Genealogy Centre offer a full search using all the sources available at the centre. These sources include Civil Records, Church Records, Griffiths Valuation, Tithe Applotment Books and Gravestone Inscriptions. 
Tipperary South Genealogical Services
Bru Boru Cultural Centre 
Cashel 
Co. Tipperary
Telephone: 062 61122
Email: eolas@bruboru.ie 

Name:Ellena FanningDate of Birth:01-Jan-2000
Date of Baptism:04-Jan-1857Address:Not RecordedParish/District:SS PETER & PAUL PARISH,CLONMELGender:FemaleCountyCo. Tipperary
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:Michael FanningMother:Bridget GriffinOccupation:Not Recorded
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:John GriffinSponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Catherine Cokley
Notes:

PRIEST:ANDREW WALSH

Ellen's siblings: (all same church) Margaret bapt 18 June 1848; Catherine 21 Jun 1852; Cornelius 5 Oct 1859; Johanna 18 Oct 1863;

Kate Maher would assumedly have been an adult in 1881 ​so this is the only one that fits from the 1901 Census:

Residents of a House 49 Kickham Street (Clonmel East Urban, Tipperary)

MaherCatherine60FemaleHead of FamilyRoman CatholicCo WaterfordShopkeeperRead and writeIrish and EnglishWidow-MaherAndrew30MaleSonRoman CatholicCo TipperaryCarpenterRead and write-Not Married-MaherEllen33FemaleDaughterRoman CatholicCo Tipperary-Read and write-Not Married-

MaherMary Ann27FemaleDaughterRoman CatholicCo TipperaryDress MakerRead and write-Not Married-CooneyWilliam16MaleBoarderRoman Catholic

Col

Thank you so much Col for your reply. It is looking like my family had many connections with this area of Clonmel. Would it be possible to find out if Michael Fanning and Bridget Griffin were also born in the area? Would I be able to find birth, marriage and death records? I will look at some of the suggestions in your replays. I think I came across some  information that Michael Fanning had a police record. 

Anyway, thank you so much for helping me imagine where family came from. I will definitely contact the church before my next visit. Best wishes Jen.

Hi Jen

The Clonmel baptisms for Michael Fanning on rootsireland are

1824 St Marys parents Charles & Brigid

1885 Michael Joseph Thomas St James Fanning (painter) Kate Heaney

1893 O'Neill St Martin (occup Slater) & Mary

(Mick Fanning is an Aussie pro surfer who was attacked by a shark last year butm fought it off).

Bridget Griffin 1795 St Mary's Clonmel Thomas & Margaret & 1832 John & Bridget

SS Peter & Paul Clonmel 1839, 43, 46, 48, 50, 60, 64 & 80; can send which ever you think is/are relevant.

Col

Thank you Col, seems as if the family has lived in Clonmel for some time, there are probably some still there. I will look at St Mary's records. Is it the older of the 2 churches? Yes , Mick Fanning is an Australian surfer, who comes from Coolangatta, on the Gold Coast. My father, Ellen's grandson owned a holiday unit at Coolangatta and I have had many swims there. Probably related, both far to fair haired and skin for Qld, would have aged better in Ireland. Thanks once again. Jen

Hi Col, is there any way that i can find out if I might still have relatives living in Clonmel, and still atttend St Peters and Paul, church. Best Wishes Jen.