Kyte/Mahoney/Flager/Shannahan Families

subythec:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

Below is a link to the present day parish of Killenaule and I think you will find some good info on the people of the area.

http://www.killenaule.net/

We do not have a parish liaison at this time for Killenaule parish. The RC records for the parish go way back to 1742 which is unusual. There is a gap between 1802-1814. http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0275

If you belong to Find My Past or Ancestry, you should be able to search for all Kyte baptismal or marriage records in Co. Tipperary and see what records are available for your ancestors.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Roger McDonnell

Subythec

Some years ago, whilst researching my Mahony & Fitzgerald families from Killenaule I was allowed access to an index of Mahonys in the Killenaule Parish Registers & from that I set up my own database of births. 

I note that you said Ellen's father was Jacob but I have never come across a Jacob Mahony in Killenaule & wondered if you may have seen the name Jacobus as her father, which is in fact Latin for James. 

I have looked at the marriage entry  in the Killenaule Registers on Ancestry at Patrick & Ellen's marriage on 5th March 1821 & Laurence Mahony was one of the sponsors.  The place is given as Dunguib (Killenaule) though it has been mis-transcribed on Ancestry as Cuguile.

I have also looked at the baptism record for John on 1st May 1822 on Ancestry & see that Dunguib (Killenaule) is where the family were living & Anne Mahony (perhaps Ellen's sister) was one of the sponsors . 

I believe that my Mahonys of nearby Buffana were connected to the Mahonys of Dunguib. 

I'm not sure whether this information will help but it may.

Kind regards

Doreen Preston (nee Mahoney)

Doreen,

Thank you so much for responding.  Yes, I found my long sought Irish ancestors on Ancestry and I had a lot of difficulty reading the handwriting.  Plus I don't understand Latin.  I appreciate your help. 

Ancestry transcribed Helene/Ellen's father as Jacobo in her baptism record on 26 May 1793.  Looking at it, I think it is Jacobo followed by an &.  Do you have access to see what you think? 

There's a Jacob Mahony baptised 17 Jul 1780, son of Mathew Mahony and Anna Butler.  His record is very difiicult for me to read so I've relied on Ancestry's transcription.  I think he's too young to be Ellen's father.   

Thank you for translating Anne Mahony's role.  I agree she is probably Ellen's sister, but I haven't found a baptism record for her. 

I have a question...Is Dunguib a town or village or is it the name of a home or estate? 

Thank you again for your help.

Regards,

Susan

Hi Susan

Firstly I have looked at the Parish Register on Ancestry & if you look at it you will see that all the names are given in Latin.  Ellen is Helena, her father is Jacobus (James) & her mother is Margarita (Margaret).  Sponsors were Patrick Byrrane & Eliza Geyton

I can tell you that Ellen's father was James Mahony, her mother was Margaret Mahony (yes Mahony was her maiden name) & they were married in Killenaule on 7th March 1791. The witnesses at their marriage were Richard Mahony & Andrew Tully.

As I said earlier I was fortunate some years ago to have access to the Parish Registers Index which had been compiled about 1900/1901 by a bishop & from that I have the following three siblings for Ellen:

Brigid born 22 January 1792 - sponsors James Carew & Ellen Hanrahan

Laurence born 30.6.1795 - sponsors were Thomas Kelly & Margaret Carroll

Mary born 28.3.1801 - sponsors were Jeremiah Kenny &??

It is possible that there were further children born after 1801 but, as mentioned in an earlier post, there is a subsequent gap in the  Killenaule Registers

Dunguib is a townland on the edge of Killenaule & below is a link that will give you a little information about it.

https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/slievardagh/killenaule/dunguib/

Below is my email address so that you can contact me direct & I will be able to give you a bit more information & send you a list of Latin names with their English equivalent.

sherlockpreston@gmail.com

Doreen

Hi again Susan

I have been having a look at the Killenaule Parish Registers.  I have a large computer screen &  I am fairly sure that the name of the woman whom your ancestor John Kyte married is Maria St.Ledger/Leger & that it has been mistranscribed as Mariam Flager, both on Ancestry & Find My Past.  I know I have come across the name St Ledger in Tipperary during my research but I have never encountered the name Flager.

Doreen

Susan; My grandmother was a daughter of John Kyte who emmigrated to Nova Scotia with his parents circa 1825. I was in Killenaule in September and located the church graveyard where some of the Kytes who did not leave are burried. Some family history suggests they came from Silvermines, but that is inaccurate as they originated in the parish of Killenaule. I note that a lot of the church records have a latin spelling, due to the latin studies of the parish priest.

I will share what I have, but suspect you have most of what I have also.

Jack Coffey

Hello Jack,

Thank you for responding to my post.  Yes, I've spent decades looking for my Kyte family in Silvermines.  I actually found some Kytes there, but there was a couple generation gap that I couldn't bridge to link the families.  I am so thrilled that I have finally found the correct location.  How lucky you are to have been able to visit Killenaule. 

My husband's mother is descended from John's first wife.  I believe you are descended from his second wife.  I have just your name.  I am also interested in sharing information.  Please contact me directly at suezlistz@gmail.com. 

Susan