Visiting Tipperary

Thank you Tom. I'll come to Portlaoise on Sunday 12th Jun to meet you. That gives me the best early start for further research during my stay. Probably best you let me know via my email as to your preferred time and place to meet up. My email lynstewart@netspace.net.au

I'll come prepared as best I can. Thank you so much.

Lyn Stewart

Hi Tom,

That is kind of you to send this info about the Beale family and brewery enterprise in Wexford. Seems smuggling malt was common, I guess to avoid the tax. Do you think this was a regular tithe tax or was particular to malt and brewing supplies? 

When I got back to Dublin I went to the Deeds Registry and had a bit of a search again. I found the memorial of deed  262-39-166440 dated 9th April 1767. It appears to be the 'sale' of a very long list of Cahir estate land to three English gents (Samuel Moody Esq. of Pall Mall and Anthony Chapman of Norbury Park and John Slany Esq. of Norwick) for just one year, yes, just one year. A very strange idea. I wonder why it was like that. The sellers are James Lord Baron of Cahir and his two brothers  Thomas and John Butler. The list of estate land is at least 10 pages long in the registry book (that IS very long) and it states acreages and who are the current tenants. It includes 'all that messuage or tenemt. & malthouse in Carrigeen now or late in the tenure or occupation of John Brien granted for 31 years from  March 1737..' John Brein is listed with other holdings including in the town itself. That seems to give some approx location for a malthouse!!

It also includes 'lands of Redmonstown now or late in the occupation of the Exors of John Slaterie'

and 'all that part of the lands of Clogheensisagoe now or late in the tenure or occupation of the Widow Murphy'

and ' all that tenemt. or holding in Caher aforesid held by Wm. Murphy & now or late in the tenure or occupation of William Connell containing by estimation four acres and 3 roods & twenty nine perches be the same mor or less granted for thirty one years  from March 1739'

All very intriguing. I am unfamiliar with Clogheensisagoe as a townland. The listing for William Murphy and widow Murphy surely relate to the William Murphy and his wife Bridget O'Donnell who had two children James Murphy baptised 20 Aug 1779 and William baptised 28 Sept 1777. These are people in my family tree. However I can't find my direct ancestor in the list (James Murphy who I figure was born around 1740. I thought he might have appeared in this list of estate property by 1767.

There always seem more questions than I can find ansers for.

Thanks for the continuing contact Tom.

Regards

Lyn