Whites of Whitegate/Dereney

Dear Mary

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

I have passed your query to a volunteer, I hope they will be in touch soon

Best wishes

Clare Doyle

Genealogy Support 

Hello Mary.

I was asked to review your inquiry, since it had a Loughrea reference. I first found your online tree on Ancestry.com, and see you've got a GREAT story attached to Martin!  My very first question for you is "Have you tried to get a copy of his death certificate?"  It may have the names of his parents listed, since it showed they were both born in Co. Galway.  I see that his original marriage certificate does not show the parents of the couple.

But, I was very curious why the family would be taking their child to Loughrea for baptism, so far away from the Dereney area, so I started researching that location in Co. Clare.  I believe you should look into the following items, since there are Catholic Churches very near the townland that your ancestor was raised.  I first started looking into the Griffith's Valuation, found that "Derrainy" was listed as part of the civil parish of "Clonrush".  I found that Clonrush is part of the Catholic Parish of Mountshannon, as well as, in the Diocese of Killaloe.  Then I found references that the current St. Flannan Catholic Church, in Whitegate, is the nearest to Derrainy.  I would suggest that you contact them to see where the old records might be kept, hoping that they go back into the early 1800's.  Once that is done, you can check the Clare Library website, which has a listing of burials in the Clonrush graveyard (which has many "Whyte" names.)  There is also a link to the National Archives, showing many Whyte/White and Madden names in the 1830 Tithe Applotment books in "Dereney".

If any of the links do not work, or if you need any further tips on them, please reply, or send me an email directly at Mary@FindingGrandpa.com and I will try to help.

White/Whyte in Abbey Cemetery in Loughrea

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&GSln=wh&GSiman=1&GScid…;

Griffith's Valuation "Derrainy"; Civil Parish of Clonrush

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Placename: Derrainy

County: Galway

Barony: Leitrim

Parish: Clonrush

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doPla…

Griffith's Valuation map shows RC Chapel very near Whitegate; other Catholic churches might be found

You could search the Clonrush Parish listing (beginning on page 71) of Griffith's Valuation, looking for any reference for "RC Chapel" in the column that I marked on one of the attached images; hoping to find old churches, and then researching where the old records of those old churches might be found today.

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Placename: Clonrush

County: Galway

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=place…

IRO: Clonrush Parish is part of Inishcaltra

I would suggest for you to post your message on this parish page also, since it is the place that might have your answers, if a volunteer is in the area!

http://www.irelandxo.com/group/clonrush-clare

Wikipedia: Civil Parish of Clonrush is part of the Catholic Parish of Mountshannon; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonrush

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountshannon

Whitegate RC Church "St. Flannan"

http://www.killaloediocese.ie/parish/mountshannon-clonrush/church.html

National Archives Tithe Applotment Books: "Dereney And Ballinahinch"

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?…

Clare County Library: Clonrush area graveyards

http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/don_tran/graves/clon…

I hope this helps somehow!

Mary Van Dyke

Mary,

Thank you so much for your help.  I can find Martin White in an index of Cook County deaths, but not in the Cook County Clerk's index (Chicago).  The Clonrush parish group is listed as closed, so I don't know how to post there.  I will check the Griffith's etc and try contacting St Flannen's Church.

I appreciate your efforts,

Mary Lee

Mary, try ordering the following film, from the LDS website www.Familysearch.org

You may have a lead on how his name was written on the actual certificate, OR this film might have the actual certificate of death (and not just an index.)

Death certificates, Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, nos. 18270-20342 1907

Family History Library

United States & Canada 

Film1239759 

Alternatively, you can request a manual look-up from the Cook County Clerk site at: 

http://www.cookcountygenealogy.com/Search.aspx#

They can do look-ups for $15

Also, the link to the Inishcealtra (and Clonrush) Parish on IRO is here:

http://www.irelandxo.com/group/inishcealtra-clare

Thank-you again!!!!!

I have ordered the film and posted on the Inishcealtra Parish page.  I have my fingers crossed that the parents names are on the death certificate.   There is a family story that 2 of Martin's daughters traveled to Ireland and met family there.  Is there any way to track something like that down in Ireland?  This would have occurred before 1911.

Mary Lee

I tried to post this earlier, but I can't see that it worked.

I wanted to keep this post going, since you're asking good questions, and someone else might be able to use these tips for their research.

I will use the information from your Ancestry.com tree and try to see if I can't find anything.

We can track the daughters, using immigration records, ship manifests, as well as, passport applications.  I'm hoping that SOMETING has information on when/where they traveled to and from.

Which daughters traveled?  and did Dora and/or Mary ever marry?  (I'm focussing on their last names at time of travel.)

Thank you,

Mary

Mary,

I believe it was Mary & Dora who traveled.  They were both school teachers and never married.  Mary died in 1911 and Dora died in 1915.  I have checked Ancestry and could not find a passenger entry for them.

Thank-you for all your efforts,

Mary Lee