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John Gamil Gaffer of lbrs [397] b. 1818 , , Co. Armagh, Ireland d. aft 1871 , , Lanarkshire, Scotland + Mary McKee [483] b. 1816 , , Co. Armagh, Ireland d. bef 1877 , , Lanarkshire, Scotland Please respond directly:DGemmell@TampaBay.RR.com
Thursday 31st Jan 2013, 09:41PM
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Hi,
Thank you for your message.
Do you have any other information you can share?
Information such as:
? Parish name
? Parents? names
? Religious denomination
? Dates and circumstances of emigration
? Were John and Mary married? If so, did they marry in Ireland or Scotland?
Most important is a parish name. Most Irish record sources- church records, land records, census records- are based on specific locations. Until you know a specific location within Ireland, preferably a parish or placename, it may be difficult to do anything more with these records.
Remember to post as much information as you can with regard to the people you are researching. The more information you post, the more likely it is that one of our volunteers will be able to advise or assist you. Also include information concerning which sources you may have already used so others may further your search.
Please be patient - as our programme has only begun to rollout across the island of Ireland and volunteers in some areas may not yet be organized.
Kind regards,
Genealogy Support
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Thanks for the tips, but unfortunately I do NOT have a parish.
As far as I know they were Catholic.
John Gamil (b: 1818) and Mary McKee (b: 1816) were born in Ireland and I assume married ( about 1837 ) in Ireland.
They had 4 boys born in Ireland (according to an 1861 Census - Scotland):
Thomas 1838 Born Ireland
John 1839
Andrew 1842
James 1844
Since the next child is born in Scotland, this is when they emmigrated to Scotland.
George 1846 Born Scotland
Patrick 1850
Mary Jane 1855
Joseph 1856
Daniel 1858 About
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Have you tried doing a search for any family members at Family Search? This is a huge database of genealogical records which has been compiled by the Church of the Latter Day Saints. It includes
? Ireland births and baptism 1620-1880
? Ireland marriages 1619-1898
Although these are not complete collections you may be lucky and find some record of the family. If you do, it will give you a parish name. You can search it here:
You could also try searching church records at http://rootsireland.ie/ However, you have to pay a fee to use this website.
As they were in Ireland up until 1844 you may be able to find some record of them in the Tithe Applotment Books. These are land records that were compiled between 1823 and 1837 in order to determine the amount which occupiers of agricultural holdings should pay in tithes to the Church of Ireland. Although they do not offer any genealogical information they can sometimes be used to tie a person to a specific place. Unfortunately, only some parishes are available for Armagh online. If you would like to browse these here is the link:
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp
The Public Records of Northern Ireland do hold the original records however. Here is a link to their website:
http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/family_history/family_history_key_sources.htm
Some other websites that you may find helpful are:
The National Archives of Ireland http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy1/genealogy-records/introduction/
The National Library of Ireland http://www.nli.ie/en/family-history-introduction.aspx
The National Archives UK ? genealogy search: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/
Genealogy Links: http://www.genealogylinks.net/uk/ireland/armagh/index.html
Irish Times: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/index.htm
You could also contact Armagh Ancestry for assistance-however a fee may apply for their services. Here are their contact details:
Armagh Ancestry,
40 English Street,
Armagh,
BT61 7BA,
Northern Ireland.
Phone: +44 28 3752 1800 Email: researcher@armagh.gov.uk
I hope this is helpful and that you are able to find the parish that John and Mary came from. Once you have this other avenues of research may open up to you. Best of luck!
Kind regards,
Emma
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Yes, I use https://familysearch.org/search daily. I've uploaded all my data as a GEDCOM file, and I've created my
Family Tree. See attached file.I registered and went into http://rootsireland.ie/ as you suggested, but nothing matched.
Tried the http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp and got:
No Results
I will try all the orther sites but without knowing a parish as you pointed out earlier and without exaxt dates or parents, I fear my expectation arrow is pointing to expect more of that "more results" stuff.
Thanks,
Dan