Fogarty

Hi there,

What a fine photograph you have and what a wonderful moustache!

How do you know that there is a link to County Waterford?

Have you tried checking the Ellis Island records (www.ellisisland.org) or the Castle Garden records (www.castlegarden.org)? Generally, more information was given at the port of arrival rather than the port of departure. If you knew which city they arrived at, this could be a good place to find more information, and perhaps even find out an exact place of origin.

Could you please post your message on the County Tipperary page as well: http://www.irelandxo.com/group/county-tipperary

Do you have any clues about where in County Waterford they might be from? Have you check all family documents such as family bibles, letters, etc.? Having a more precise place of origin would make a big difference.

You could check the 1901 census to see where other Fogartys were still living in Ireland at that time. It might help to narrow it down a little. Other cousins could have remained in the area. You can find this here: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

You could also try checking the land records called the Tithe Applotment Books (1823-38) or the later Griffith's Valuation (1848-64). Griffith's is freely available here: www.askaboutireland.com or here: www.failteromhat.com Failte Romhat has lots of other useful  Tithe Applotment Books (1823-38). Microfilm copies of the books for all of Ireland are available at the National Archives of Ireland (NAI) http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy1/genealogy-records/tithe-applotment-books-and-the-primary-griffith-valuation/ or the Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS).

You can information about the frequency of the name in the mid-19th century and any other variant spellings of the name here: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/

Please make sure you link anyone else in your family who is interested in their Irish heritage to our site - and indeed anyone else you know of Irish heritage.

Kind regards,

Sinead Cooney

Genealogist (Ireland XO)

Am  following your suggestions one by one, although I have done most of them before--wish my family had been more creative with names!  WE still aren't.

And I appreciate your comments on my ggrandfther's picture--I consider him quite handsom.  The eyes were passed down to my father, brother, and my son!

The first I knew of Waterford was in checking RC records here for my grandfather's baptism.  It was with the first child, born 1866 that Nicholas was listed as being from Waterford.  That information is repeated in other records.  As for connecting the other individuals, RC records show all acting as witnesses or sponsors for marrieages and baptisms.  The US Census shows all three either living in the same residence, or very close to each other.  John is finally listed as "superannuated" and 74 yo, living with Michael in the 1870 Census.

Castle Garden Records do have 1 Nicholas, and it indicates the correct time and age.  Michaels and Johns are abundant.  On no record is there any additional information.

BTW, incas you did not know, Ellis did not open until the 1890's Many Americans are under the false assumption that all our ancestors came in there--but that would be wrong.  During the Great Hunger era, ports such as Baltimore were equally active with New York--and no , I have had no luck there.

The Irish Times list 16 Fogarty households ih Waterford in the mid century period--I would presume this information comes primarily from Griffiths.

There was a John listed in Griffith's as living in Inishlounaught--I, however, do not know what year Waterford was valuated--could you tell me that?

Have not checked the Tithe Applotments.

Nicholas's children were Emma, twins John and James, Mary (Mamie), and Philip--my grandfather.

And I did repost my message in the Tipperary board.

thank you for all your help

Kathleen