Toohey Family of Cameron

Susan:

I will alert the Terryglass parish liaison that you have posted a message.

Roger McDonnell

Hi Susan

Firstly let me say if your Toohey friend's ancestors and the O Meara families were very friendly its probably because both families originally came from islands on Lough Derg very close to each other, the Toohey's in Cameron Island and the O Meara family from Islandmore (referred to locally as the O Meara's of the island) as a matter of fact my grandmothers sister married an O Meara from Islandmore.

A lot of familiar names from the parish in your letter Brooder, Dunne, Mulvihill,Aberton  some long gone some remaining

Late at night here so will look at it in more detail tomorrow

Regards

Bill Ryan Kilbarron/Terryglass Ireland Reaching Out

Hi Susan

One other piece of information which may be relevent, I see from the 1901 census that Laurence Tuohy(different spelling) widower aged 68 living in Carrig which is on the shoreline near Cameron and also have a record from Roots Ireland of birth of Laurence Tuohy in 1869 in Cameron son of Laurence and Mary Fahy, Daniel Flannery and Penelope Donoghue were sponsers

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Kilbarron/Ca…

Am I correct that you have no account of Laurence in Canada or elsewhere

Griffiths Valuation shows a John Toohey owning quite an amount of land in Cameron and Carrick

Reading your note I see that your family were originally Donoghue but not from Kilbarron Terryglass area am I correct in that

Regards Bill

Hi Bill,

Thanks for the reply.  You are correct on my Donohue line - Tipperary Donohue's, but uncertain of their origination in Ireland. My 3x gr grandparents were Michael Donohue b. abt. 1800 and Catherine O'Meara b. abt. 1800.  They were married in 1821 in the Dunkerrin parish, but I believe this is where Catherine's side of the family was from.  I have no oral family history on any siblings or parents of Michael Donohue's to try and pinpoint a location in Ireland.  I only know that he was from Tipperary.  Both Michael and Catherine do not show having their early children baptized in any parish record I can find.  Not until 1833, when they 3 children are baptized in Middletown, Borrisokane parish.  I alos have one reference to a TAB entry that states Michael Donohue was living (no year given, so assume it's circa 1825) in Middlemount, Uskane Civil parish.  I have not located a town by that name for the present day, but, he was subletting his land from a Roger O'Meara (relation unknown at this time). Then in 1843 & 1846 I believe Michael is the one listed as living in Cloughjordan town.  His brother in laws, Tady O'Meara & Robert Collisson were in the same area around the same years (Robert Collisson was granted land in Canada in 1846).  I believe by this time they were living close to each other as they may have been pooling resources to start to immigrate out of the area and to Canada (around 1847 for Michael Donohue - Tady O'Meara around 1850).  I can only assume Michael Donohue was mostly likely from the Borrisokane area based upon this research, but I do not have any other documentation to support my theories at this time other than what I've outlined above.  

It is Michael Donohue & Catherine O'Meara who had 3 children that married Toohey's.  The first one was my 2x gr grandmother Kitty Donohue b. abt. 1822.  I can't find a marriage record for her, but I believe she married in Ireland.  No indication what the first name was of the Toohey gentleman she married.  By the time she married in Canada in 1851 (to an O'Meara - yes, I have multiple lines!), she was listed as Catherine Toohey.  No children survived to adulthood if there were any children born of the marriage to the Toohey fellow.  The other Donohue children, Michael Donohue Jr. & Margaret Donohue, married two Toohey siblings.  Michael Jr. married Bridget Toohey and Margaret Donohue married William Toohey Jr..  Margaret & William Toohey were siblings, children of William Toohey Sr. & wife Mary Dewan.  I've found 2 children baptized to the couple in Toomevara parish, but not much other luck with finding information on this Toohey family in Ireland.

William Toohey Sr. & Mary Dewan had numerous other children.  One of the boys, John Toohey, left Canada and settled in the exact same town in Illinois as the decendants of the Cameron Toohey's (#4 Hanora Toohey & #9 Catherine Toohey, daughters of Patrick Toohey & Mary Brooder).  In addition, #4 Hanora Toohey's husband, laid claim to John Toohey's estate when he died in Illinois.  Ironically, #4 Hanora Toohey was married to a man named Michael Toohey.  At this time, Michael is not a relation to the Toomevara Toohey's that are in my tree to the best of my knowledge (we have no information on that Michael Toohey as well).  Lastly, the Michael Donohue Jr. & Bridget Toohey had two sons that were listed as pall bearers to John Tooheys funeral in Canada (#7 John Toohey, son of Patrick Toohey & Mary Brooder). This same John Toohey buys land from my O'Meara family in Canada circa 1900 which was right next door to Kitty Donohue Toohey O'Meara's residence.

So the connection is there between the Cameron Toohey's and the Toomevara Toohey's, but the question I can't answer is if it truly lies within a familia connection (via the Toomevara Tooheys or the Borrisokane Donohues) or were the families just friendly with each other being Irish Catholics who settled in the same town in London, Ontario, Canada and came from the same general area in Ireland?  I'm inclined to think there is a family connection, but I still don't have the proof I need.  Hence my quest!!!

Back to the Cameron Tooheys.........

Yes, the Laurence Tuohy you found living in Carrig in 1901 was born around 1869 (baptized 22 Sep 1869 in Cameron) to Laurence Toohy b. abt. 1825 & Mary Fahy (married about 1859).  Yes, he was going by the Tuohy spelling at that time, but the baptismal records show they were going by Toohy in some years and Tuohy in other years (I have a habit of spelling it Toohey because of my Toomevara Toohey's). The other children to Laurence Toohy & Mary Fahy were:  1.  John Toohy baptized 02 Aug 1860 in Annagh, married to Bridget and died in Jul 1940 in Tipperary; Michael Toohy b. 1863 and baptized 26-Mar-1864 in Cameron and died August 8, 1873 (see the link in my original post for the old Kibarron graveyard with a picture of this tombstone).  3. Patrick Toohey baptized 15 Sep 1866 in Cameron - no other info at this time.  4.  Daniel Tuohy baptized 22 Jan 1879 - no other information at this time. And of course 5. Laurence Tuohy b. 1869 listed above.

Now we can jump back one generation.  Laurence Tuohy b. abt. 1825 was the son of John Toohy & wife Mary Donahue.   

If you follow this link: http://historicgraves.com/old-kilbarron/tn-okbn-0058/grave

The Michael & Laurence who erected this in memory of their mother are Laurence b. 1825 and Michael b. abt. 1823 - brothers.  The mother Mary who died in 1852 is Mary Donahue and their father John who died in 1860.  The two children listed on the tombstone are not John & Mary Donahue's children, rather Laurence and Michael's children.  The child Michael who died in 1873 is the child born in 1869 to Laurence Toohy b. 1825 and wife Mary Fahy.  I assume Angelo is probably a child to the brother Michael b. abt. 1823.

The parish records show the following children born to John Toohy b. 1788 & Mary Donohue b. 1790 (sometimes spelled Donoghue):  1. John Tuohy baptized Dec 12, 1828 in Cameron (John Smyth & Bridget Flannagan sponsors); 2. Judy Tuohy baptized Jul 11, 1830 (Daniel Donohue & Catherine Gorman sponsors); 3.  Daniel Tuohy baptized Jun 20, 1834 (John Needham & Sara Donoghue sponsors); and 4. Joseph Tuohy baptized Oct 12, 1835 in Carrigluskey (Patrick Tuohy & Mary Tougher sponsors).  The two children not listed in the parish records were 5. Michael Tuohy b. abt. 1823 and 6. Laurence Tuohy b. abt. 1825.

I pick-up a Judith Tuohy marrying a Matthew Toohy on Nov 25, 1858 in Cameron.  I believe she is the daughter of John Tuohy & Mary Donohue.  I haven't find her listed after that, but did find an entry in the old Kilbarron graveyard that might fit with a child to Matthew & Judith:  http://historicgraves.com/old-kilbarron/tn-okbn-0059/grave

But this is where I end.  Based upon my research I believe Patrick Toohey b. circa 1790 married to Mary Brooder is a brother to John Tuohy b. 1788.  Again, I do not have any proof, but the name "Laurence" appearing in Patrick Toohey & Mary Brooder's line, as well as John Tuohy & Mary Donaghues line, seem to indicate a relation of some sort.  Also, the location of them both living in Cameron etc.

Any ideas on how to possibly further tie these families together or find out more about the Cameron Toohey/Tuohy's that would be great!  My friend is planning a trip to Tipperary probably this spring.  She will of course want to visit the Cameron area.  

One other thing Bill, you are correct that the Laurence Toohey baptized 1833 (entry #6, son of Patrick Toohey & Mary Brooder) - I do not have any record on him past his baptism.  The same is true with William Toohey (entry #8, son of Patrick Toohey & Mary Brooder).  There is no record that I could find of them in Canada and neither of them are mentioned in any of the family obituaries in Canada or Illinois.  I have assumed they died as children, quite possibly in Ireland or on their way over to Canada.  They don't appear to have died in Canada as I've found no cemetery entry for them in the plot with Mary Brooder or her son.  Also, Patrick Toohey married to Mary Brooder may have died in Ireland as well.  There is no record of his burial in Canada.  The 1851 census for London, Ontario, Canada was lost many years ago, so that can't be used as a source.  But, the first time Mary Brooder Toohey and her son John were listed in London, Ontario was in the 1856 directory and Mary was listed as a widow.

Let me know if you have any other questions, and of course, if you have any ideas on how I might learn more details on the family.

Susan O'Meara

Michigan, USA

A small correct to my latest post.  I stated the following: "The child Michael who died in 1873 is the child born in 1869 to Laurence Toohy b. 1825 and wife Mary Fahy.  I assume Angelo is probably a child to the brother Michael b. abt. 1823".

I should have said "The child Michael who died in 1873 is the child born in 1863 (not 1869) to Laurence Toohy b. 1825 and wife Mary Fahy.

Sorry for any confusion it may have caused.  I also apologize for some of my grammar!  I wasn't able to edit my recent post to do some clean-up.

Susan O'Meara

Hi Susan

Brief message the place you seek in Uskane may be Middleton which is just outside the town of Borrisokane

If you wish you can contact me directly my email is  ryan.bill1@gmail.com

Have some more info on Toohey family and possibly Donoghue and dont wish to put up on public forum

Regards Bill Ryan

Hello, Susan O'Meara. I've been researching Tuohys 1800-1855, Terryglass Parish, Co. Tipperary or nearby environs.

I research a family line of Daniel Hogan ca 1800-ca1848, his wife Honora (Anna) Tuohy 1799-1872 of Cappanasmear/Garryard townlands 1828-1844. Children baptised Terryglass parish: Catherine b. ca. 1828, Daniel b. ca. 1830, Honora/Anna b. 1831, Anne b. 1834, Martin b. 1838, John b. 1840, Bridget b. 1842. Speculate Honora Tuohy's sister was Julia/Judith Tuohy, m. Michael O'Meara/Meara/Mara - they lived next door to each other Griffitch's Valuation, Cappanasmear/Garryard, and were baptism sponsors of each other's children. I am in touch with descendants of these O'Meara's, also in Michigan.

Honora Tuohy 1799-1872 (sometimes listed in RC records as Onny, buried as Anna in MI, USA) was in Rochester, NY, 1855 with her children. They migrated farther west to MI by 1860.

Cameron is 7 miles from Cappanasmear/Garryard.

I have noticed the Ancestry tree (tree owner sncampbell2) of a Tuohy line in Biddulph, Middlesex Co, NY. This looks to be the John Toohey you reference: "married Mary Toohey b. 1826 marries John Toohey b. 1823 circa 1846 probably in Canada. John Toohey is supposedly of a line of Toohey's that originated out of Kyle in Cloughjordan parish in Tipperary.  Lived in the nearby area of Biddulph, just outside of London, Ontario, Canada before moving to Michigan."

There is also a connection between descendents of Honora (Anna) Tuohy to descendents of Lawrence Tuohy listed as being of Woodford and Clonrush, Co. Galway, b. 1800, sons Thomas b. 1831 and Patrick b. 1834 who emigrated to Australia. Ancestry.com tree owner is paddy132a. Woodford, Co Galway, and Clonrush (formerly Co. Galway), Co Clare, are 10-11 miles from Cappanasmear, near Lough Derg/River Shannon.

Has your Tuohy friend had dna testing done?

Regards,

TMarie, Michigan, USA

Hi Marie,

Yes, my friend Catherine, is related via DNA to this family of Daniel Hogan and Ann 'Hanora' Touhy.  Based upon Ann's age, and the close DNA match to these descendants on Ancestry (53cm across 3 segements for one Hogan/Touhy descendant) we suspect Ann is probably a sister to Patrick Toohey (married to Mary Brooder).   My friend Catherine has about 3 people who have this family of Daniel Hogan and Ann Tuohy in their tree and she is a DNA match to all of them. 

So they are in fact related in some manner, it's too strong of DNA match to ignore it. 

My friend Catherine sent me the e-mail you sent to her.  So you did reach out to the correct person on ancestry and she did do a DNA test, but I'm uncertain if she linked it to her tree on ancestry.  But, you do have the right person to correspond with on that site.

The Tuohy's of Biddulph are not related to the Toohey's of Terryglass.  You have to keep in mind that there were about 5 different Toohey families that settled in and around London, Ontario in Canada.  One of them was mine family, one of them was Catherine's family, the other family was that of the Toohey's of Biddulph (let's just call them that) and then there were 2 other families of Toohey's from Tipperary in the area.  Let's chat offline and I can give you more details on this matter.  But, we do believe one faction may have married into another faction, etc.

I didn't see a paddy132a in Catherine's list of DNA matches, but I haven't looked at it in a little while.  I will circle back and take a look again. 

Is there somewhere I can write to you directly through e-mail?  If you want to send it to Catherine you can as I'm sure she would forward it to me and then I can copy you both on any reply.

Sue O'Meara (also in Michigan)

Hi, Sue, thanks so much for your reply.

I will send my email address to Catherine and ask her to forward to you, okay?

When you write: "close DNA match to these descendants on Ancestry (53cm across 3 segements for one Hogan/Touhy descendant) we suspect Ann is probably a sister to Patrick Toohey (married to Mary Brooder)" you are referring to data gleaned from gedmatch, correct? If this info is available on Ancestry DNA, I need to spin up on this ASAP :)

Warm Regards,

Tina

There was a John Toohey who witnessed my ancestor Morgan Meara's wedding in 1844 in Dunkerrin (right near the border of Tipperary and Offaly). Morgan lived in Kilgorteen/Kilgurtin, Tipperary.

There is also a record (which image I saved and promptly mispalced) of a Morgan Meara who witnessed a John Toohey's wedding in 1839 on the west side of Ireland; not sure if these are the same two people.

Please see my blog entry on the Meara's (which I am presently updating as I find new info) at:​
http://plugsandpixels.com/geneblog/index.php/2018/09/10/the-mearas-of-tipperary-ireland/