Goold-Gould Family

The marriage of James Gould to Sarah Jane Jones was registered in Clones, Co Monaghan 1868 vol 18, page 123.

You can order a photocopy from GRO Roscommon for ?4 per certificate. Put the place, year, quarter (where there is one), volume & page number on the application form (anywhere). Don?t worry about leaving some boxes blank. You don?t need to fill them all in if you have the reference details. http://www.groireland.ie/ You have to post or fax the form to them but they will e-mail the copy certificate to you if you wish. Tick the relevant box on the form.

Tradition was to marry in the bride?s church (assuming the couple attended different churches) so that may be the place to look for the bride?s baptism and that of any siblings. Unless it was a registry office marriage, the specific church and denomination will be on the certificate.

Possible childrens births in as follows, all registered in Clones Co Monaghan (The Clones registration district includes part of Co. Fermanagh).:

James Robert Goold 1869 Vol 18, page 153

Caroline Goold 1872 Vol 3, page 171.

Phoebe Anne Goold 1877 Vol 3, page 163.

John William Goold 1877 Vol 3, page 164 (Note: Phoebe & William were evidently twins).

Mary Anne Goold Jul ? Sept 1879 Vol 3, page 141

John Goold Jan ? Mar 1882 Vol 3, page 131

Thomas Hnery Goold Apr- Jun 1887 Vol 3, page 120.

There are other Goold children registered in Clones around that time. Can?t say who the parents were without ordering the certs.

The 1911 census has the following farms in the area you are interested in.:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Fermanagh/Newtown_Butl…

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Fermanagh/Newtown_Butler/Cullion/513243/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Fermanagh/Derrysteaton/Derrysteaton/512836/

Can?t see any Gould/Goold households in the Galloon area in the current phone book. Nearest is in Kinawley.

Here are the abstracts (summaries) of 4 wills for Goulds in those censuses. I can let you know how to access the wills, if you are interested in them.

Full Abstract :

Probate of the Will of James Gould late of Cullion County Fermanagh Farmer who died 26 October 1905 granted at Armagh to The Reverend George Gardiner Parkinson-Cumine Clerk and James Elliott Farmer.

Full Abstract :

Gould otherwise Goold John of Cullion Newtownbutler county Fermanagh retired farmer died 15 July 1924 Administration W/A Londonderry 2 June to Thomas Gould farmer. Effects ?152.

Full Abstract :

Gould Thomas of Cullion and of Landbrook both county Fermanagh farmer died 22 September 1941 at latter place Probate Belfast 19 December to Harriett Gould the widow and Robert Hague farmer. Effects ?160 5s.

Full Abstract :

Probate of the Will of Thomas Gould late of Derrysteaton County Fermanagh Farmer who died 2 March 1910 granted at Armagh to William Gould Farmer.

You can also pinpoint the various farms using Griffiths revaluation records:

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml

Thank you so much for the information you provided me.  I am printing out

the forms to fill out and send to get copies of the documents.  This information

certainly clears up some questions I had, and brings up new questions.  Thank you

again, this truly is a treasure of information.  Now I need to keep digging to see

why they came to the US, why did some of the family stay in Ireland.

Regards,

Elaine Neel

Kansas, USA

The general tendency was for the family farm to go to the eldest son. Younger sons had to make their own way in the world. Ireland has very few natural resources eg oil, and coal, and so little heavy industry. There?s very little employment in that part of Ireland save for farming, so vast numbers chose to leave to go to places where there were better employment opportunities. Same reason as people migrate today.

My husband's Gr-Grandfather James R. Gould, along with one sister were the only ones that immigrated. Another strange thing, the daughter that James and Sarah had, that was born here in the US was their only child to have children - my husband's Grandmother.  I have not found all of their children John R aka Jack, was born in Ireland in abt 1880, I have him in the US 1895 & 1900 Census then nothing. Thank you so very much you have been very helpful. I'm hoping to get to Ireland late next summer and spend a couple of days in the region, so see if I can photograph cemeteries & headstones of the family.  Where would you suggest I look?

The family were evidently Church of Ireland so I would start with Galloon Church of Ireland in Newtownbutler. See:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/16132340@N07/5187299896/.

If they are not there, then ask locally. There may be other graveyards in the area, and when people had family plots, they were not always in the same church that they attended. I think there?s an old graveyard on Galloon island. You should check it.

Bear in mind that many people didn?t have gravestones. (They couldn?t or wouldn?t afford one). This site appears to have transcripts for the 2 Galloon graveyards I have mentioned but I can?t find any Goold/Goulds listed. So either they didn?t have any legible gravestones or they were buried elsewhere:

http://www.historyfromheadstones.com/

You might also want to see the parish records. (They are not on-line anywhere, so far as I am aware). You can pay the Rector to see then at the church (if they are still stored there), or alternatively there?s a copy in PRONI in Belfast which you can view free. (PRONI is the public record office). They have the following records for Galloon:

C.I. Galloon (Clogher diocese) Baptisms, 1798-1995; marriages, 1798-1861 and 1877- 1935; burials, 1798-1953; vestry minutes, 1799-1914.

I also suggest you go to some of the farms where your ancestors lived and see who is there now. It might be descendants (especially if one of them went to a daughter and the name has changed). In any case the name is sufficiently recent for the current occupants to likely know of any descendants in the area. Conrnabrass and Cullion are beside each other down a minor road to Galloon island. Derrysteaton is on Galloon island itself.

You can check to see who the occupants of each farm were up to 1930 on the revaluation records. They are a bit fiddly to work with but the information is there. And there are later records in PRONI that take you up to the 1960s. Search by townland.

http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/val12b.htm

Those wills I mentioned, 2 of them are on-line on the PRONI site. The other two you would need to order up if you visit PRONI. They are still in paper format only.

Thank you again for the information you have provided, almost 3 yrs ago.  Above you mentioned that you could show me how to get copies of the Wills or Abstracts for some of the people listed about. How would I go about obtaining them. Thank you,

Elaine Neel...   email elaineneel@aol.com

Two of the wills are on-line using the link I gave you above. Go to the wills search function on the PRONI website and enter the names and dates of death of the people you are interested in. It will bring up the abstracts, and for 2 of them the wills themselves. For the others you need to e-mail PRONI (assuming you can't go in person) and pay them to copy them for you.

Thank you Elwyn.  I will check out the Will on line. While I would love to visit Northern Ireland, it looks like

at this time, I wll have to ask the to send me copies. I appreciate your time and effort to provide me with this information. Regards, Elaine Neel, USA Kansas