Swift/Foody, Gilvary and possibly Forde

Becky:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

I will alert our parish liaison for Kilmoremoy parish about your message. He is also very knowledgeable with DNA testing.

Roger McDonnell

Hello Becky!

My family are FORD+MEARS/MEER from Ballina, married 1833 at St. Muredach's.  They emigrated to Illinois USA via Quebec Canada abt 1834-35. I do not recognize the name SWIFT, but that doesn't mean it's not there. I have dna tests on file at FTDNA, at dna.Ancestry, and 23&Me but do not post a family tree there.  

From any testing service you can upload your raw dna to a site called GedMatch (free!) to find matches from all over, plus they will tell you how many gen. back to your ICW (ancestor in common with someone) which is a great tool.  I would love to talk with you more about this but I'm not sure what is the best way to exchange contact info.

There is also a Co Mayo Ancestry group on FaceBook where people help one another a lot. Do you have a family tree anywhere? I have a very large tree/database at Ancestry.com which I am happy to share. I have been discovering many cousins thru a combination of family trees, dna, and records.

Libbet in Michigan if you are on FB maybe you can search for my name and find me that way, & send a message?

Hi Becky,

I can also help out. I have some ancestros from Kilmoremoy, and have done testing at Ancestry.com, 23andme and FamilyTreeDNA.  One suggestion is for you to look at www.gedmatch.com - they allow you to upload your DNA and compare against other testers from other companies.

There were quite a few Mayo people that went to Toxteth Liverpool during the famine from Killala & Ballina areas.

Here's a post about Gilvary's in Killala, which is near Ballina: http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/gilvarry/2/

And there is a Gilvarry's pub in Killala, see: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Gilvarrys-Pub/270182303082911

I found a Michael Gilvary on the Irish tithes from about 1832 in Kilmoremoy Parish, could be Mary's father. http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625684/00…

There's a John Swift, also in Kilmoremoy on the tithes here: http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625684/00…

Could you list all of their children and dates of birth?

John

Wow, hello everyone! Roger, thanks! I look forward to seeing if anything turns up! Paulina and John, my email is beckyalong@gmail.com and if you email me I can give you my gedmatch kit # because I'm on there already. I'm not great at using that site though, still new to the DNA stuff. I'm also beginning to wonder if my Flynn ancestors were also from this area. In Toxteth park the Swifts and Flynn's were neighbors and friends and my 2x great grandfather Michael Flynn married my 2x great grandmother Mary Swift. I always believed the Flynn's were from cork but I think now that was misinformation. Michael's parents were James Flynn b. 1815 and Alice b. 1819. John, I'll get back with all that dates of the children of Martin Swift and Mary Gilvary though only Patrick and Thomas were born in Ireland. The rest were born in Toxteth, Liverpool. Thank!

Martin Swift 1815 ire m. Mary Gilvary 1821 ire

Children-

Patrick 1840 ire

Thomas 1845 ire

Martin 1849 Eng. m. Mary Anne Pinkerton  

Mary 1852 eng -1899 Pawtucket RI, USA (my 2x great grandmother) m. Michael Flynn 1843/6 ire

John 1856 eng

Bridget 1859 eng m. Patrick Highland

Catherine 1864 eng emigrated to US with my 2x great grandmother in 1874 at about age 10 m. Thomas Monahan 

Sarah 1866 eng m. Samuel Langdon

Anne 1869 eng (was listed next of kin on my great uncle Patrick Flynn's Spanish-American war records).

For the Flynn's:

James 1815 ire-1869 eng (buried in paupers grave in Ford cemetery with two other unrelated individuals) m. Alice b.1819 (one record says as late as 1826) ire died 1890 eng

Children:

Patrick 1839 ire

Thomas 1841 ire

Michael 1843-6 ire m. Mary Swift 1821 eng (2x great grandfather) died 22 February 1901 Pawtucket, RI USA

Sarah 1847 ire m. James Kenny

All of the above births in England occurred in Toxteth Park, Liverpool.

Hi Becky,

I'll drop you a note.  Here's a very good video that can help you use DNA in your research:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_y1sZWRD34

John

When a do a search for matches w ancestral name GILVARY at dna.Ancestry, I find a Catherine GILVARY w daughter Winifred PRENDERGAST.(both b Ballina). Winifred married Michael Joseph DOHERTY.  They do not give dates. I believe some PRENDERGASTs are also MANLEY/MUNNELLY in Belmullet area. (I am also MUNNELLY so that may be where my match comes from.)

The family also connects to LYNCH.  These may not mean anything at all in your family, but in mine there were some definite marriage patterns between families and perhaps your GILVERY/GILVARY also married some of these.

Thanks, nothing stands out to much about that except that in Liverpool on one census record (1851) my Swift ancestors have visitors staying with them. Two of the three visitors are named Daughtery (maybe same name different spelling?). I've often wondered if they were related. The other person was an Edgan.

Did you get my message of Facebook? Check your "other" folder. I can share my gedmatch with you there.

There was a James SWIFT who married Mary MANLEY or MUNNELLY,;  her family were part of a group from Tullysleva, Co Mayo.  I think she was b 1843.   She had brothers Bryan (1823-); Patrick (1841-); John (1846-); Martin F (1852-1927); sister Anne (1849-); Catherine (1858-).

Martin went to Chicago, Cook, IL, USA, where he died 1927' had son James Francis MANLEY (1887-1962).  I need to fix something in my tree as I may have combined 2 generations both w father named Bryan Brian, but this may help you

Parents of this group were Bryan (Brian) MUNNELLY (1806-1890)+Catherine Cate RUTLEDGE (1800-).  One way to see if this is your group is to do a surname search in your autosomal test matches for the surname RUTLEDGE and see what comes up.  You can do that at FTDNA.com and at dna.Ancestry.  GedMatch will tell you when you have a match how many gen. back to your ancestor in common, but does not give you their family tree info, it is up to you to contact your matches at abt the right gen. and contact them yourself, a great tool.

DAUGHERTY/DOHERTY etc. is an ancient clan that includes MUNNELLY off--shoot, likely in Donegal.  Dna is supporting this understanding, so maybe yours stayed close! or knew they were kin.

Thanks, I just came back to this to check Rutledge as you suggested but no luck. I did find a Pendergast via gedmatch and on a family living near mine in Rhode Island. If anyone has new info please let me know. Still searching.