Place name information - Laughane Drumlish?

Catherine:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

Like you I was unable to find Laughane in the offical list of townlands. Likely it is/was a place name that was assumed into another townland. We have a parish liaison in the area  so I will send her an e-mail and ask her to comment on your message. if you have not heard anything in ten days , let me know.

Roger McDonnell

The name Loughan and Loughane in Drumlish are variants of other anglicised versions of the original Gaelic name, Lochán, that means a little loch or lake. The loch is long gone. Loughan is not a townland but a local name, not found on any map. My great-grandfather, James O'Hara, married Anne Feehily, January 1846, and raised a family there, most of whom emigrated to Pennsylvania (Wilkes Barre & Pottsville). I have have census details for O'Haras there who may well be my relatives and I'd love to know where in PA I can write to for further information). The youngest one, John, my grandfather, stayed in Loughan, and married Anne Rogers of Drumlish. Incidentally, Loughan is in the townland of Drumlish and may  be parly in the townland next door, Cloonmacart or Clonmacart, where other O'Hara people lived. The name, Loughan, today is found in a relatively new housing estate called Loughan Hil in the village of Drumlish.  

The reference to McKenna in Catherine's message interests me - my great-grandmother was Kate McKenna, who married Peter Loughlin. Not sure if they married in NYC or if they married before they left Ireland.  I can't seem to find any information on them. All I know is what family said, Kate McKenna was from Longford/Killoe; not sure if Peter L. was too. They came over to New York during the famine in Ireland, in the mid 1800s. Their children all were born in NYC, the youngest my grandmother. 

I can go back to the Mayflower on my father's side but can't seem to go anywhere on my mother's maternal side, alas.  Apparently nobody kept any information in the Loughlin-McKenna family in NYC, including my several great aunts and uncles.  Wish I knew more, and where to start. Someone said I'd have to go to the Killoe parish and talk to the priest and see what their records say. However at 90 years not sure that will be possible. If anyone has any suggestions please let me know.  Thank you, and Happy New Year.

Patricia I gave a try for your Loughlin-McKenna on familysearch and looks like the marriage was NYC.  NamePeter Mc LaughlinSexMaleAge22Birth Year (Estimated)1847BirthplaceIrelandFather's NameMichaelMother's NameEllen HayesSpouse's NameCatherine Mc KennaSpouse's SexFemaleSpouse's Age21Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated)1848Spouse's BirthplaceIrelandSpouse's Father's NameCornelius Mc KennaSpouse's Mother's NameBridget O'BrienMarriage Date19 Sep 1869Marriage PlaceManhattan, New York, New York, United StatesMarriage Place (Original)Manhattan, New York. "New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1829-1940," database, FamilySearch(https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2CN-DLTV : 22 July 2021), Peter J McLaughlin and Catharine McKenna, 19 Sep 1869; citing Marriage, Manhattan, New York City, New York, United States, New York City Municipal Archives, New York; FHL microfilm 1,671,676.   Hope this helps.  

There are death records for them on familysearch also;  for Kate, NameKate M. LoughlinSexFemaleAge59Burial Date10 Oct 1909Death Date7 Oct 1909Death PlaceManhattan, New York City, New York, United StatesDeath Place (Original)Manhattan, New York, New York, United StatesBirth Year (Estimated)1850BirthplaceNew York CityMarital StatusWidowedOccupationHousewofeRaceWhiteFather's NameCornelius McKennaFather's SexMaleFather's BirthplaceIrelandMother's NameBridget O'BrienMother's SexFemaleMother's BirthplaceIrelandCertificate Numbercn 29506CemeteryCalvary; "New York, New York City Municipal Deaths, 1795-1949", database, FamilySearch(https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:271Z-C3T : 3 June 2020), Kate M. Loughlin, 1909.

This one I am unsure whether the person in this record is your family  but if corrrect death year, it agrees with the parents named in my other note here to you copying the marriage information on his parents -  that their names were Michael and Elllen.    NamePeter J. LoughlinSexMaleAge43Burial Date11 Jun 1892Death Date9 Jun 1892Death PlaceManhattan, New York County, New York, United StatesDeath Place (Original)Manhattan, New York, New York, United StatesBirth Year (Estimated)1849BirthplaceIrelandMarital StatusMarriedOccupationClerkRaceWhiteFather's NameMichael LoughlinFather's SexMaleFather's BirthplaceIrelandMother's NameEllen LoughlinMother's SexFemaleMother's BirthplaceIrelandCertificate Numbercn 20576Note224 East 19th St.   

Catherine,

You may be interested in the Drumlish Heritage and History Society website:

https://www.drumlishheritageandhistorysociety.ie/

It contains details on a Parish History book which was published a couple of years ago mentioning a lot of local placenames (including Loughan) and the Occupiers c1826/1833, Occupiers 1854 & Heads of Households 1901 for each Townland.

Happy New Year,

David Leahy

(great-grandmother from Drumlish Parish & a contributor to the book)

Happy New Year all in this message line here and thank you.  All input appreciated.  Thank you David Leahy about  interesting book availabillity/Drumlish website.

I had posted here in 2017 and since then my dear Irish friend Y asked at the parish for me about Laughan and the parish priest said  same as Mogueohara above,  about the tiny place Laughan being absorbed into Drumlish. (I enjoyed the extra detail from Mogueohara on the Irish word; thank you).  I think my O'Hara may be related to your James O'Hara there but unable to prove.  I remember Longford historian related to this family and he had help from someone in Pennsylvania on the family but it sounds you are still looking, so maybe we could all work together to try further.  Apologies that I  missed your new note above, and had not responded. I only saw Patricia Clark's note at first and missed the new message above hers.

I do hope locals know about her Killoe parish McKenna people somehow.  On the IGP site I saw a church record had been transcribed.   Her Kate McKenna Loughlin born c 1848 (Killoe, her family said)  in US records appears to have parents named Corrnelius McKenna and Brridget O'Brien McKenna, so I thought the IGP group had  located a church record for one of her family http://www.igp-web.com/Longford/killoebaptmc.htm :

1845/5 McKenna,John Neal B. O'Brian"

I appreicate the discussion and help here.  

Patricia,

Further to Catherine Green's useful link above, the following is a link to the actual Church baptismal record:

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632440#page/125/mode/1up

Killoe RC Baptismal Records, County Longford, Ireland

The relevant entry is the one on the bottom of the right-hand page and reads as follows:

(Date?) May 1845

John, son of Neal McKenna & Bridget O'Brien

sponsors: Hugh O'Brien & Catherine Quinn

I also found a reference to the parent's marriage as follows (middle of right-hand page):

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632396#page/115/mode/1up

Newtownforbes RC Marriage Records, County Longford, Ireland

20 January 1837

Nigel McKenna of Killoe & Bridget O'Brien of Gorteen(orna)

Witnesses: Patrick McKenna & Anne Rhawl

It looks like Cornelius, Neal and Nigel are synonyms.

No other children of this union appear in the Newtownforbes or neighbouring Killoe RCParish baptismal records.

Gorteenorna Townland neighbours Carrowbeg Townland where my Mahon ancestors lived and it is likely that they would have known the O'Briens.

Hoping this is helpful,

David Leahy

Thank you very much, both Catherine Green and David Leahy, the information was indeed helpful.  And yes, I did know my great grandmother was buried in Calvary Cemetary in NYC, and 1909 was the year she died.  After her husband died (I think he worked as a trolley operator but I may be wrong) she ran a boarding house in NYC.  I'm guessing their children, including my grandmother, didn't talk about their parents' occupations since they all had bettered themselves - probably typical of many 1st generation newcomers. 

Thank you both, I really appreciate your help.

Patricia Clark

I am quite interested in topics and content related to the Drumlish Heritage and History Society. Thanks for sharing them!

Regards

I am quite interested in topics and content related to the Drumlish Heritage and History Society. Thanks for sharing them!

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