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I've been looking for a match with my great-grandfather Thomas Barnes born c. 1844 who came from somewhere in Ireland to settle in Liverpool:

https://www.geni.com/people/Thomas-Barnes/6000000041979886911

The best match was with a Thomas Barnes baptised in 1846 in Rathkeale:

https://www.geni.com/people/Thomas-Barnes/6000000058888134173

It appears that the family initially came from St Mary's (Englishtown?) in Limerick itself in 1837, hence having the thread here, as his older brother was baptised there:

https://www.geni.com/people/Edward-Barnes/6000000059134351690

Other ones we know the location for are:

Samuel born around 1839 in Rathkeale:
https://www.geni.com/people/Samuel-Barnes/6000000059134920000

Honora (sometimes given as Honoria) baptised in 1841 in Rathkeale:
https://www.geni.com/people/Honora/6000000059134887102

The parents (William Barnes and Mary Sullivan) moved with the above and their other children to Yorkshire. This Thomas Barnes doesn't really fit mine (the real killer is the difference in father's occupation on his wedding certificate) and it looks like this Thomas moved to the US and married there. So my search continues. However, I thought I'd also pop this in here as it might be useful to someone - they had a big family and may have living descendants but there is also a Honoria Barnes listed as living in St Mary's Limerick in the Griffith's Valuation, which suggests that there may be other members of the extended family who remained in the area:

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNam…

Also it is such a close match (the naming, the DNA - there is a R-U152 hotspot in the area), my gut tells me it could be they are distant cousins, so it might be worth my while looking around the region for other matches or seeing if some descendants of these Barneses turns up and is interested in taking a DNA test to help exclude this family from my search.

Thursday 18th May 2017, 01:09AM

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  • Dear Billy B:

    Many thanks for your post to the Ireland Reaching Out website and welcome!

    I have copied this post to several Limerick volunteers who may be able to assist you with your research. 

    You might also be interested in taking at look at the Limerick Archives and the online collection that is available on the site.

    The link is below:

    http://archives.limerick.ie/

    The very best of luck with your research.  Please keep us posted as to your progress.  If you have any further questions, please email me at:  jhalloranryan@irelandxo.com

    Kind regards,

     

    Jane.

    Jane Halloran Ryan

    Friday 28th Jul 2017, 03:55PM
  • Thanks Jane. Interesting resources and I look forward to hearing from local experts, as there do seem to be Barneses around the Limerick area, although quite how they tie into the family I was researching is unclear.

    Worth also noting that my grandfather, who was born in Liverpool, was christened William Baron and his name was registered as William Barron (a similar situation occurs with one of his sisters), despite the family being listed as "Barnes" in official documents before and after his birth:
    https://www.geni.com/people/William-Barnes/6000000041979544278

    This suggests that the original family name was something like Ó Bearáin which can be anglicised as Barnes or Barron (or Berrane or Barrington) which is found in Thomond, which includes Limerick:
    http://www.libraryireland.com/names/ob/o-bearain.php

    So I can't rule out that relatives might hiding under a slightly different surname (if indeed, my paternal line goes back to Limerick).

    Sunday 30th Jul 2017, 04:32PM
  • To confuse matters: my first cousin agreed to test her autosomal DNA too and we can filter out only parental matches to those with Barnes ancestors and quite a few match on the same strands of DNA. These matches all have Barnes ancestors from east of London (Barking and Greenwich mainly, where known). If we can get some male Barneses from those it might nail it down, so it is all very provisional.

    If right, it could suggest either that the census is wrong and Thomas Barnes wasn't born in Ireland or his Barnes ancestors were from the east of London and moved to Ireland (perhaps marrying an Irish girl and going back there?). If the latter, we'd still be looking for the birth of Thomas Barnes in Ireland (and perhaps of his father). While my grandfather's claim to be "English through and through" is technically incorrect, it might be he knew of the family's English origins and (especially if the autosomal DNA matches are right) the roots weren't too far in the past.

    So all a bit messier than I originally thought, but there may still be Irish Barneses out there Im related too, although perhaps not in Limerick.

    Bill

    Thursday 3rd May 2018, 05:00AM

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