Michael Casey

Elizabeth:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

I also looked at the record on the parish register and there is no way to tell the location and the word may not be a location. For some reason, there does not appear to be a civil record for the marriage which would show the names of the fathers of the bride and groom.

The 1882 civil birth record showed that the family lived in Turagh townland in Tuogh civil parish.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_retur…

Images for civil death records start in 1891. There is an index record for a Michael Casey who died in 1884 at age 36. Possibly your ancestor? Eventually images for death records prior to 1891 should be available online.

The 1901 census records for Turagh townland did not show any Caseys.

Let me know what questions you have.

Roger McDonnell

Dear Roger,

It was thrilling to receive a response, and so quickly, from you! I'm ecstatic to see the Birth Registration for my great-uncle William Patrick Casey! When he came to the USA he gave his birth not as March 15th, but as March 17th! ;)  St. Patrick's Day here in the States. His brother Thomas did the same. Methinks they must've been a couple of characters! 

I'm also thrilled to see the profession of my great-great grandfather Michael Casey! The index record that you mention in your response must be the one for him since it matches up with information in my family tree. Other than name, age, and date of death, is any other information given in the index? Does it include a place of death? When the images are eventually available online will they provide more information? 

Regarding Bridget Dea, the woman who was present at the birth, would she have been a midwife or a relative?

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Overjoyed,

Elizabeth 

Elizabeth:

Glad to assist. Here is the birth record for your grandfather March 25, 1884.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_retur…

I've seen many Irish immigrants who said their birthday was either St. Patrick's Day or Christmas.

Death records show the place of death which should be Turagh and cause of death, plus the name of the informant which presumably would be his wife.

Not sure about Bridget Dea. Midwife and relative are both possibilities.

Roger

Hello Elizabeth

I had a look at Michael and Honoras Marriage entry in the Cappamore register and I reckon the faded part of the entry says that the witnesses were John Finucane and Bridget Ryan and it doesn't say their townland at all.

There is a Bridget Casey from Dromalta, Tuogh in Griffiths valuation (freely available online) and there are also numerous entries for Caseys of Tuogh parish, including some from Turagh townland, in the valuation office books (freely available on the National archives of Ireland website). I am sure that at least some of those Caseys are relations of yours.

Also there is a death record for a Bridget O'Dea of Turagh in October 1895.

Hope some of that is of help to you.

Mise le meas

Sean O'Dwyer

Hi Sean!

Thanks for adding the additional info. I assume you are in Co. Limerick? We are always looking for volunteers and/or parish liaisons. 

Roger

Hello Sean,

Such a great kindness to look at the marriage entry for my grt-grandparents! Along with Wheeler, the surname Finucane is familiar from connections that my Casey-Ryan family had in Chicago. The other Witness is Bridget Ryan, who is either Honora's mother or sister.

Using the additional information you've given me, I'll take a look at Griffith's Valuation and at Bridget O'Dea's Death Certificate. 

Heartfelt Thanks,

Elizabeth

Hello Elizabeth

I would agree that it is likely that Bridget Ryan is a relative of Honoras, but bear in mind that Limerick and Tipperary are full of Ryans, so it isn't a given that they would be related.

Mise le meas

Seán.

Hello Sean,

I looked at Bridget O'Dea's death certificate and what do you know, the informant was a Laurence Mackey! Do you think that he was related to her? (Proviso: Laurence is not a name found in my Casey or Ryan families.)

Though I've done some searching, I couldn't find a Laurence Mackey. I'll keep trying.

Alas, Ryan seems to be the Smith of Ireland. :(

Thank you again for all of your assistance! 

Elizabeth 

Hello Elizabeth

I'm not sure did you mean you hadn't found Laurence Mackey in your family or in the records, so apologies if you already know the following. There is a civil register entry for the birth of Lawrence Mackey of Turagh on 17 Aug 1874,, his parents were Jeremiah Mackey and Johanna Gavin and Bridget O'Dea was the informant. There is a certain symmetry to that if it is the same Lawrence. He was baptised in Cappamore on 20 Aug and the witnesses were Patrick Ryan and Bridget Fitzgerald. The address was given as the village. He died aged 25 on 24 Aug 1904 of pneumonia and the address is down as Cappamore and his mother was the informant. There are two Lawrences in Cappamore in the 1901 census and the second fellow was a shoemaker, the same as Jeremiah so they were probably brothers.

I am sure you noticed that there was a James Casey and family in Cappmore in the 1901 census. I know it says he was born in Tipperary but what I found interesting is that in his marriage entry of 29 Apr 1895 his father is named as Michael, perhaps a coincidence. Also when you look at the birth records of James two sons, the address is Turagh. One more thing, James occupation was a stone breaker and your Michael was a mason. Someting to mull over, perhaps.

Are you aware of the geohive website which has some wonderful old maps. It is map.geohive.ie and there is a wealth of pleasure to be gleaned from the site.

Mise le meas

Seán

Hello Sean,

It's wonderful to hear from you! You have given me much food for thought! Also, some new approaches and strategies. Following the occupations, for instance, makes perfect sense. I'll put my research skills to these new challenges. :) 

Alas, I was unable to access the geohive website. I tried www.maps.geohive.ie and https://maps.geohive.ie, but both tries were unsuccessful. Am I missing something? 

Your "Mise le meas" has me wanting to learn Gaelic!

Appreciatively,

Elizabeth 

Evening Elizabeth

Just put map.geohive.ie in the search bar and that should work. Leave out the www. Let me know if it works.

Mise le meas is basically 'with respect'.

Regards

Seán.

Thank you Sean! 

I googled Geohive Maps and the site came up. The maps, as you mentioned, are wonderful. 

In gathering more information, more questions have come to mind. For instance, looking at Griffith's Dec 1850 Valuation for the Parish of Tuogh, which includes Turagh Cappamore, there's a Thomas Ryan. I'm positive this is my great-great-grandfather, who appears as follows: 107 Thomas Ryan (Luke). What does the italicized name mean? Also, is there a website that will tell me the meaning of each column of the Valuation? 

I've tried on Ancestry and on Roots Ireland to find the James Casey in the 1901 Census that you mentioned but have been unsuccessful. Is there a particular website that you used to find the information? 

Have a lovely day!

Elizabeth