Bamberry/Bambury/Banbury

David:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

I believe the townland you are looking for would be either Cloonshease (Daly) or Cloonshease (Persse) in Clonfert civil parish. 

The 1855/1856 Griffiths Valuation head of household listing for the parish showed a James Banberry in Srahaun townland.

http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/galway/clonfert.htm

I have seen situations where a family only civilly registered the sons and not the daughters and I'm wondering if that is why there is no civil birth record for Harriett or her sisters

I did find another Harriet Banbury in Ballinasloe with a father David and possibly there is a connection between the two families. Maybe George and David were brothers?

Let me know if you have questions.

Roger McDonnell

Name:Harriette BanburyDate of Birth:10-May-1883
Date of Baptism:12-May-1883Address:BrackernaghParish/District:CreaghGender:FemaleCountyCo. Galway
Denomination:Church Of Ireland
Father:David BanburyMother:Susan BanburyOccupation:Cattle Dealer

David:

I forgot to mention that according to this link

 https://www.ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/registers…    the Church of Ireland records for Clonfert were destroyed in the 1922 Four Courts Building fire in Dublin.

Roger

Hello Roger,

thank you for taking the trouble to assist me.

I do have some questions: why would the townland be Cloonshease (Daly) or Cloonshease (Persse) when the Church of Ireland form shows Clonashaise ? To what do Daly and Persse refer?

Clonfert and variations on the spelling of Clonashaise appear in family documents (MCs and DCs) registered here.  There is a newspaper report of a betrothal stating the father of the bride (George Bamberry) came from "Arrowcourt".  What with the accent and a journalist not well educated it is easy to see the transposition of Eyre to Arrow.  So I'm reasonably sure I am searching in the correct area.

Thanks for the information on the 1922 fire.  I spent a frustrating day in Dublin looking through records only to find nothing of relevance and it was explained then about the fire. It is odd that four records remain yet a record of an older brother Alan, does not.  Yes, I did find the other Harriett but it is not relevant.

The reference to a David might be useful.  Oddly enough, I was contacted by a man named Bamberry living in Galway who had seen my search requests.  He was hoping for information on his forebears as "there are very few Bamberrys left in this part of Ireland".  There are suggestions some Bamberrys emigrated to Queensland prior to George Bamberry's family and may have assisted with the emigration. Also, quite a lot of Bamberrys emigrated to New South Wales but that search is beyond me as any links would be indirect and not worth the effort.

That leads to another general question: how did emigrants move whole families from Galway to Plymouth from where the emigration ship departed?

Regards,

David

David:

It is possible the ship left Plymouth and came to Galway to pick up passengers and then left for Australia. 

The spelling of townlands in the 19th century was not rigid and you can find many different spellings of the same townland. My grandmother came from Knockanaconny and I have seen probably ten different variations in spelling over the years. When I can't find a townland based on the spelling provided, I look for alternative spellings of townlands in the area. There are a couple of data bases which are very helpful. Here is the one I use http://www.thecore.com/seanruad/index.html  which is maintained on the same web site as my 1901 census data base.

Throughout Ireland you will see townlands with two or possibly three variations and they ususally are located side by side. For example Ballyglass East and Ballyglass West In this case, they are distinguised by surnames which likely refer to a two families that was in the area in years gone by (or currently) or possibly a landlord. 

Roger

Hello to all in the Eyrecourt, Meelick Clonfert, Clonashaise (or variations thereof).  

I am continuing my search for my Grandmother's Irish heritage (Harriett Martha Bamberry)and posted a request with significant details in January 2017.  

I can now add that the copies of her brothers' baptismal records show the parish (Church of Ireland) as Donanaughta.

I am looking for assistance in further narrowing the likely area for her family plus any records of other family members who may have stayed in the area and not migrated to Australia.

Regards, David Schubert

Hello David!

The Donanaghta Church of Ireland records start in 1871 and are available on the subscription site Roots Ireland. I located the baptismal records for Charles, George, William and Frederick. Transcriptions of the records are below for Charles and George.  For what ever reason, the family only baptized and civilly registered their sons (other than Allan). 

I continue to believe that they lived in Cloonshease townland.

Let me know what questions you have.

Roger

Name:Charles BanburyDate of Birth:07-Apr-1871
Date of Baptism:07-Jan-1872Address:ClonashaiseParish/District:DonanaughtaGender:MaleCountyCo. Galway
Denomination:Church Of Ireland
Father:George BanburyMother:Eliza BanburyOccupation:Farmer
Notes:

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
Middle Name: None
Mothers Maiden Name: Not Recorded
Union: Banagher
From Town: Eyrecourt
From County: Galway
Office: Not Recorded
Officiant: John M. Aldridge

Name:George BamberryDate of Birth:09-Nov-1878
Date of Baptism:17-Feb-1879Address:ClonashaiseParish/District:DonanaughtaGender:MaleCountyCo. Galway
Denomination:Church Of Ireland
Father:George BamberryMother:Eliza Bamberry

Hello Roger,

Thank you for your reply and your earlier replies (last year in January). I have read your reply and reread your earlier suggestions - and I now better understand the confusing (for a foreigner!) nomenclature of geographic areas.

I am reading your reply as suggesting that Cloonshease is the same as Clonashe or Clonashaise.  Is this correct?

 I cannot find a Cloonshease; however, I have found Cloonachase - north of Eyrecourt and WSW of Clonfert.  Is this a likely suspect?

A copy of George and Eliza's marriage certificate shows George was residing in "Clonashe, Clonfert" and Eliza was residing in "Boveen, Kilcoleman" at the time of their marriage.  The marriage took place in Kilcoleman (and Kilcoleman parish) in Kings Co (now Offaly).

The area between Eyrecourt, Cloonachase and Clonfert seems a good enough place to look for traces of the Bamberry families i.e. cemetries or churches.

My final question relates to immigrants from Galway getting to Queensland.  I now have evidence that the Queensland Colonial government arranged a contract with a steam ship company to carry the Royal Mail and immigrants (the company was paid a government bounty hence the immigrants were referred to as "Remittance" passengers as opposed to free or indentured).  The ships left Plymouth and, in the late 1880s, were departing every two weeks and arriving in Queensland in four weeks.  English and Scots migrants also were carried.  Hence I think the immigrants gathered in Plymouth (there is evidence of an immigration centre/hostel or suchlike there).  So if you have any leads about  an emigrants trail to Plymouth I would appreciate it.  At this end I have been reading up on Queensland Government "immigration agents" who were active in Ireland (and England) giving lectures, handing out pamphletts and "checking" potential candidates for health and stature (the government wanted country folk who were fit and young).

Again, thanks for your interest and assistance.

Regards,

David

Hi David:

First question--Yes.

Second question-No.  If you use Google Maps, you will see Cloonshease (Daly) and Cloonshease (Persse) just to the north and northwest of Cloonachase. So you are very close.

No leads on Irish emigrating to Plymouth.

All the best with your research.

Roger

Hello Roger,

Thanks for that information.

I have found Cloonshease (Daly) and Cloonshease (Persse) using Google satellite and hovering the pointer over various buildings.  I even found "Cloonachase House" in Cloonshease (Persse).

To the untrained eye, the buildings idenified in both Townlands look like individual farms.  Is that the extent of a townland?

The area is quite small too.  I measured the distance (walking) via "unnamed roads" as 2.4km from Cloonshease (Daly) to Cloonachase House in Cloonshease (Persse).

My great grand father was a farmer - probably a tenant farmer.  With the dearth of housing evident in the satellite photo, I wonder where tenant farmers and their families lived within these townlands.  Do you have any information in this regard?

Again, thank you for your help.  I am pressing on with tracking down the processes for Irish emigrants to move from Galway to Plymouth for the subsequent steamship voyage to Queensland.

Regards,

David

David:

Together the two townlands were 372 acres. (Daly 76 acres and Persse 296).

There is a very good site which has a lot of info on the Griffiths Valuation data. http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation

This site will allow you to drill down to the townland and lease holder level. I was able to determine that George Bunburry leased 104 acres of the 296 acres in Cloonshease(Persse). That was a fairly large holding in 1855 when the Griffiths survey was taken in 1855. I don't know if this George is the father or grandfather of Harriet.

Using the site you should be able to see where the land was and how the area looks today.

Roger

I am not sure if this will be seen by David Schubert but I also have a big question mark concerning my George Bambury born in Castlebay/r Barracks c1851 who first appears in England Census 1861 place of birth Ireland with Ellen c1833 Mother who were boarders.   I wonder if my Bamburys and David’s are related. The Bamburys are my husbands ancestors on his maternal side and his DNA results show a high percentage of Irish ancestry and show area of birth as Eyrecourt for Ellen.  Unfortunately I do not know her maiden name or anything else relating to her life in Ireland prior to living in Stoke on Trent with her son George born 1851.  Ellen was born c1833 and died in an asylum in 1872 an entry for husband named as George Banbury ‘Soldier’.  I have not managed to find a marriage for them but I believe I have found George Banbury ‘Soldier’ in a 1871 Census with wife Harriet and step child Thomas via DNA matches which is remarkable but everything ties up with George snr.  I do not know where to go from here so if you do have a way to contact David Schubert hopefully you can put us in touch.  Yours hopefully Andrea Washington 

Andrea:

If David is using the same e-mail address that used in 2018, he will receive a notification of your comment. 

Roger