Fitzpatrick/Tate

Lynda:

I searched the Roots Ireland indexes for Co. Down and found an 1848 baptismal record for a Patrick Fitzpatrick with a father John however the mothers name was Anne. This baptism was in the Kilbroney RC church records. Kilbroney parish is in southern Co. Down. I'm inclined to think that this baptismal record is for another John.

I could not locate a marriage record for the couple on the Roots indexes. There are a good number of RC parishes that are not on Roots for baptisms and/or marriages.

I also looked at the 1863 Griffiths Valuation for Co. Down for John Fitzpatricks assuming the father of Patrick was still alive and leasing land. There were 36 John Fitzpatricks listed in many parishes.

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I also looked for james Tate and there were six.

Roger McDonnell

Source	Surname	First Name	Townland	Parish	County
Griffith	Taite	James	Carnreagh	Blaris	Co. Down
Griffith	Taite	James	Lissize	Drumgath	Co. Down
Griffith	Tate	James	Ardtanagh	Dromara	Co. Down
Griffith	Tate	James	Drumgavlin	Magherahamlet	Co. Down
Griffith	Tate	James	Dunbeg-Upper	Magherahamlet	Co. Down
Griffith	Tate	James	Ballynacraig	Newry	Co. Down

Thanks Roger for your reply.   Patrick was born in either 1827 or 1828 so the baptism record for 1848 would be too late.

Lynda:

Sorry, I got my names switched. The 1848 record was for John, father Patrick.

Roger

Lynda,

Though births, deaths and marriages were recorded in the statutory records in England from 1837, in Ireland it was a bit later. Births and deaths and RC marriages only started in 1864. Non RC marriages were recorded from April 1845 onwards.

There?s no trace of Patrick and Alicia?s marriage in the statutory records and so that indicates it must have been an RC ceremony. There?s around 30 RC parishes in Co Down. Only about 4 of those 30 odd parishes pre 1864 marriage records are on-line (Ards, Banbirdge, Down & Lisburn). For the rest you have to look them up in person in either the National Library, Dublin or PRONI in Belfast. However, the good news is that the National Library will be putting them all on-line next summer. The bad news is that they won?t be indexed and so you?ll have to go through them page by page. However if you can?t get to NLI or PRONI that may be the easiest way of checking these records. They may be in Latin.

The other bad news is that if you find this couples marriage you probably won?t get much more information from it than you already know. RC marriage records from the mid 1800s normally only had the date, the couples names and their 2 witnesses. No parents names, occupations etc,. However you will at least have a better idea of where they lived and that may open up a few avenues, via Griffiths Valuation and the subsequent revaluation records.

There are slightly more RC baptism records on-line for Co Down but, as Roger has explained, there?s no trace of John?s baptism to Patrick and Alicia. So evidently he was baptised in one of the many parishes whose records are not on-line. However you might find him in the NLI release next year.

Elwyn