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I am trying to trace the background and family of David Hanna probably from Co. Londonderry.

He came to work in the Tynemouth area of England and married Annie Southern there in 1897.

In the 1901 census his place of birth is just given as Ireland, he is aged 25 so his birth would have been around 1875 - 1876 as these things are never quite accurate.

Annie and their young son died later that year and he married again  Isabella Irving.

 In the 1911 census his place of birth is given as Tubbermore, Co Londonderry, age 35 which confirms birth as 1875 - 1876.

He died in Tynemouth in 1953 aged around 77.

We believe he served in the army and I can find a record for a David Hanna born in Tubbermore, Derry in the Londonderry Artillery enlisting on 17 Nov 1892. He gives employment as a labourer working for a David Kissick of Coloughlin, Londonderry. He bought himself out on 1 April 1894. 

Family believe he may have served in South Africa at some stage. Perhaps between wives?

I believe he had a brother called Sam who also came to work in Northumberland.

This leads me to presume his parents may possibly  have been Samuel Hanna and Mary Jane Walker? If so his birth could be 23 May 1875 Co Londonderry.

I appreciate there is very little information here to help but any suggestions would be much appreciated. Apologies if I have got the Townlands and Parish all wrong but it has me very confused!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sunday 19th Mar 2017, 07:06PM

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  • Tubbermore/Tobermore falls within the Magherafelt civil registration area. I searched the records and found a David Hanna born 26.1.1876 in Tobermore. Parents were Robert Hanna & Elizabeth Hutchinson. Father was a labourer at that time.

    There’s a birth of Samuel Hanna in Tobermore on 26.8.1873 to the same parents, at which time the father was a scutcher (a trade in the linen making process).

    https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/

    The parents marriage was registered in Magherafelt on 1.11.1859. You can view the original certificate on-line on the GRONI website, using the “search registrations” option:

    https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk

    You will need to open an account and buy some credits. It costs £2.50 (sterling) to a view a certificate.

    This looks to be the parents in 1901:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Tobermore/Tobermore_Town/1531393/

    And in 1911:

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Tobermore/Tobermore_Town/612292/

    Note that they had had 9 children of which 7 were alive at that time. Daughter Matilda was born 1.10.1878 in Tullykeeran.

    Robert Hanna died 9th July 1912 in Tobermore.  Son Samuel was present at the death. Eliza Hanna died 11th Dec 1913. Hessie Hanna, daughter-in-law, of Tobermore was the informant. I noticed this Samuel living nearby. Might be their son. Samuel Hanna married Hessie Bradley.

    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Tobermore/Tobermore_Town/612230/

    Does the above information fit with what you know? When did brother Sam move to Northumberland?

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Sunday 19th Mar 2017, 08:07PM
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    Elwyn

    Many thanks for all the work and research you have done on my behalf.

    I was not aware of all the free searchable Irish records so the links will be very useful. 

    Your family does sound more likely than the parents I had thought of.  The date of birth works and the district and union, the only information I have on David Hanna's home town is Tubbermore on the England 1911 census but have to take this as correct.

    Did a quick search on births under the name Hanna in Magherafelt and found with the parents Robert Hanna and Eliza Hutchinson  an additional John Hanna b 18 Oct 1870 and the Matilda you found.  

    They must have married very young as by their death dates Robert would have been around 19. Matilda would have been born when Eliza was around 39 so perhaps no further children after that ?  

    The 1911 census gives 9 children born so need to find another 5.  

    David Hanna was my husbands mothers grandfather. They thought Samuel came over to work in the shipyards of tynemouth and David followed but looks like Samuel stayed in Ireland if he was still there in 1911 census. Perhaps it was another brother?

    Will certainly follow this all through and see if I can find any links. Looking at other Hanna's living in Tobermore Town in the 1911 census there are a few and the same names ..Robert, Lizzie, Samuel are repeated in the children.  

    In the 1901 census Robert and family have religion as church of Ireland, by 1911 it is episcopal ? Is this correct? Religion will enable me to weed out some Hanna's as there are baptists which are probably another family.

    Many thanks again for your assistance, sadly we never start to trace our family until it's too late to ask. I added a picture of Davie Hanna in my original post in case anyone recognised him. 

    Jo

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Monday 20th Mar 2017, 05:58PM
  • Re the religious denomination, Church of Ireland and Episcopalian are the same thing. So no change there. (Church of Ireland is just the Church of England, in Ireland).

    Regarding the missing children, statutory birth registration only started in Ireland on 1.1.1864 (as opposed to 1837 in England). For births after that date, you can search the statutory records. The best way to do it is to use the GRONI site. Enter the father’s surname and the mother’s maiden name, and leave the child’s name blank. Then search 5 years at a time 1864 forwards. That should throw up any children born to parents of those names (sometimes you get more than 1 couple with the same names in the same area at the same time. Can throw you). But note all the possible matches on the GRONI site and then switch to the irishgenealogy site and look them up for free.

    Here’s the link to the GRONI site. You’ll need to pay £1 or so to get at least 1 credit, to open an account.

    https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk

    For the children born before 1864, you would need to search church records. The family was Church of Ireland. Tobermore is in the parish of Kilcronaghan. It’s baptism records start in 1790, marriages in 1748 and burials in 1828. I don’t think they are on-line anywhere but there’s a copy on microfilm in PRONI (the public record office) in Belfast. A personal visit is required to view them.

    Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Tuesday 21st Mar 2017, 09:27PM
  • Thank you again for all your assistance. I have found quite a lot of potential connections via the 1901 / 1911 census and the links to the records you sent me. I have now tracked down and ordered the marriage certificate for David Hanna to Isabella Irving in the hopes that it will give his fathers name! Interestingly,if as you suggested, the parents are Robert Hanna and Lizzie Hutchinson, that brother Samuel ( if he is the one who married Hessie Bradley) has a child called Matilda Hanna shown as being born in Glasgow in the 1911 census while all other children are born in Tobermore. This may mean he left Ireland as family story goes.  All a little strange as he and Hessie claim to have been married for 14 years in the 1911 census, Tobermore town, yet in the 1901 census I can't find him and she is with her parents William Bradley and Martha (Rogers) in Tobermore under her maiden name Bradley and listed as not married? In the same house is a granddaughter called Matilda Hanna age 10 months.  She is present at the death of her father William in 1903 again under the name Hessie Bradley.  All very intriguing.   The Irish records are really excellent, it is  great to be able to see the original documents, they give far more information and mainly for free. Here in Scotland  you have to pay for everything. Most grateful for your assistance. Jo

     

     

    Wednesday 22nd Mar 2017, 04:34PM

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