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Thomas KELLY/O'KELLY of Dysert/Ennis, County ClareThomas O'KELLY or KELLY (c1744-c1780), lived at Dysert, County Clare.

My spouse's (Maureen MURPHY (nee KELLY) KELLY ancestors came to Australia from near Ennis in County Clare, Ireland.

We believe that they begin with Colonel John Patrick O'KELLY (1690-1746) of Aughrim, County Galway. His family later moved to County Clare. We believe there is a reasonable basis to claim (based partly on historical evidence, partly on family stories, partly on other people's research and partly on educated guesswork) that his son, Thomas O'KELLY (c1744-c1780), was the father of our Jeremiah KELLY (born c 1768) and who married Sarah mn unknown) who, in turn, was the father of Thomas KELLY (c 1796-29 Dec 1864).

So, from Thomas O'KELLY (who migrated to County Clare and dropped the 'O' from the name), we think Maureen's KELLY line goes to Jeremiah KELLY (born c 1768), to Thomas KELLY (c 1796-29 Dec 1864), to Daniel KELLY (c 1846-1920), to James Andrew KELLY(1878-1935) and to Maureen's father, James Andrew KELLY(1908-2000).

Thomas KELLY married Ellen CURTAIN (c1800-1888) in Ireland about 1830.

Thomas KELLY, son of Jeremiah and Sarah KELLY, and his spouse Ellen KELLY (nee CURTAIN) migrated to Victoria, Australia, about 1853 with their children. Thomas was about 57 years of age at the time. The shipping records for their arrival have not yet been located. Thomas KELLY was a farmer. Thomas and Ellen are buried in the Old Ballarat Cemetery, Victoria. Their children were Patrick (c1832-1903), Thomas (c1840-bef 1864), Ellen (c1842-1928), Jeremiah (c1843-1872), Daniel (1844-1920) and Sarah (c1846-bef 1864). Thomas and Sarah may have died in Ireland.

Maureen MURPHY (nee KELLY) is the great grand-daughter of Daniel KELLY. The birth of Dan KELLY to Tom KELLY and Ellen CURTIN on 15 Mar 1846 is recorded at http://www.ennisparish.com/genealogy.

Important surnames in Maureen's family tree (in alphabetical order) are BARRY, CLANCY, CURTAIN, DONNELLY, DORAN, FOLEY, KELLY, KIRBY, QUIRK and SCOTT.

[Acknowledgment: My research has been assisted very much by Tony MORGAN's work on The KELLY Family of Kilmaley]

As to specific information I'm looking for, I'd be delighted to learn:

(1) whether Thomas O'KELLY was, in fact, the father of Jeremiah KELLY (c1768-?)?

(2) maiden name (and BDM information) for Sarah who married Jeremiah KELLY (c1768-?).

(3) townland in County Clare near Ennis where Jeremiah and Sarah KELLY lived and Thomas KELLY (c1796-1864) was born.

(4) shipping records for the migration of Thomas KELLY (c1796-1864) and Ellen KELLY (nee CURTAIN/CURTIN) to Australia.

(5) what happened to Thomas KELLY's (c1796-1864) parents, namely, Jeremiah (c1768-?) and Sarah KELLY? Did they die in County Clare or did they too emigrate and, if so, where to?

(6) BDM information about siblings of Thomas KELLY (c1796-1864).

(7) ancestral information about Thomas KELLY (c1796-1864) and his spouse (including their siblings).

At a more general level, I'm keen to (1) connect with my wife's KELLY Irish relatives, (2) confirmation of my researching so far or corrections that I need to make and (3) connect with other genealogists with an interest in my wife's particular KELLY ancestors.

 

Daryl MURPHY

Brisbane Queensland Australia

dasmurphy@hotmail.com

 

dasmurphy

Thursday 28th Feb 2013, 06:07AM

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    Hi Daryl 
     
    Thank you for your query and sharing your information. Unfortunately the reality of finding documentation pertaining to births/baptisms/marriages/deaths in Ireland prior to 1800 ? particularly in rural areas ? is that they simply may not exist. Some registers for urban areas pre-dating 1800 may exist ? though often these can be fragmented- as there was an increased need in cities or larger towns to document the population. Please also note that the Church of Ireland was the official church of the country and therefore the bulk of information that does survive for earlier periods is often from these registers.  
     
    Ireland Reaching Out can assist you with your research by - 
     
    -offering support in the form of advice and guidance regarding research i.e. ?Have you tried...Did you check...?? 
     
    -directing you to online resources 
     
    -providing you with contact information for local Family History centres 
     
    -endevouring to connect you with a volunteer or group in the area you are researching 
     
     
     
    Ireland Reaching Out cannot - 
     
    -provide access to records - there is no central repository in Ireland for records- 
     
    -provide a dedicated genealogy research service 
     
    The University of Woolongong has produced, on microfiche, a complete index and transcript of all information concerning immigrants of Irish origin recorded on ships' passenger lists between 1848 and 1867 for New South Wales. These are useful for finding out an exact place of origin as well as parents' names. The Public Record Office of Victoria has good online databases of settlers at www.prov.vic.gov.au Otherwise, other records may be found in the Colonial Office Papers of the UK National Archives, class reference CO 201. This class contains a wide variety of records, including petitions for assisted passages, emigrants' lists, records of emigrants on board ship, petitions from settlers for financial assistance and much more. 
     
    You can also check the UK archives as many Irish emigrants traveled from British ports: 
     
    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/ 
     
    The key for researching church records would be to find an exact place of origin in Co. Clare. Do you know what the religious denomination of your family was?  
     
    Most Catholic records are held locally - One site which might be of use is - http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/ - where you can ?browse? an overview of available records per county. If you have any difficulty, you could try writing to the parish priest for possible assistance. 
     
     Church of Ireland parish registers for the period up to 1870-are public records. Registers are available for about one third of the parishes, however many were destroyed in the Public Records Office in Dublin in 1922. Most are still held by the local clergy, although some are in the National Archives of Ireland and others are in the Representative Church Body Library in Dublin. A list of all surviving registers is available in the National Archives. http://ireland.anglican.org/about/42 and http://www.nationalarchives.ie/.  The Anglican Record Project is has created an index to their records: http://ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/AngRecord/bunclodyunionindex.pdf 
     
    Presbyterian registers are held in three main locations: in local custody, in the Public Records of Northern Ireland (PRONI) http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/family_history.htm and at the Presbyterian Historical Society http://www.presbyterianhistoryireland.com in Belfast. PRONI has microfilm copies of almost all registers in Northern Ireland and also lists of records held by the Presbyterian Historical Society. For the rest of Ireland, almost all records are in local custody. It can difficult to locate these as many congregations in the South have moved, amalgamated, or simply disappeared over the last sixty years. 
     
    I hope that this information is of help to you Daryl. The information you are seeking is very specific and may warrant the services of a professional genealogy company/service. However please be aware that some companies carry significant fees. 
     
    Here are some websites that may be of help to you: 
     
    http://www.rootsireland.ie/ 
     
    http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/genealog.htm 
     
    http://www.nli.ie/ 
     
    http://www.nationalarchives.ie/ 
     
    http://www.clareroots.com/ 
     
    All the best in your research 
     
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    Tuesday 19th Mar 2013, 05:03PM
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