Looking for any information on Patrick Duffy born 1804 in Armagh. He married Alice Burns in 1833 (she was born 1812 Armagh). Between 1833 and 1856 they had 15 children, all born in Armagh. They were Catholic and immigrated to Iowa, USA in 1857 aboard the ship Calhoun. They arrived in New York May 1857. The children were: Catherine, Mary, Michael Bernard, John, Patrick, Bridget, James, Francis, Owen Sylvester, Hugh N, Peter Henry, Matthais M, Edward J, Thomas, and Joseph Charles. All but the two oldest girls went on to have families, all of which were equally large. There are many, many descendents in the Fairbank, Iowa area and annual reunions are still held.
Patrick has been associated with Creggan and Newtown-Hamilton. Alice has been linked to Tullysalon. I've examined a number of records and have only found Armagh mentioned so I'm not sure if the above mentioned are accurate. Many of the children eventually married spouses (in Iowa) that were also from Armagh but it is unknown if they knew the families prior to immigrating.
Wednesday 5th Jun 2013, 06:28PM
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Rootsireland has a marriage in Co Armagh, in 1831, between a Pat Duffy and a woman whose surname was Burns. I can?t say whether that?s your family. It?s pay to view.
http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/index.php
The problem you face is that some of the parishes in Armagh don?t have marriage records for the years you are interested in (Creggan Upper & Lower being two in particular). The records have either been lost or may never have been kept. In either case it may make it very difficult to trace the marriage.
Where a couple came from different parishes, tradition was to marry in the bride?s church and so that?s not always where their children are baptised.
You can see what RC parish records survive for Co Armagh, and where copies are kept, using this link:
Ahoghill Antrim
Wednesday 5th Jun 2013, 07:18PM -
Lori:
There is no townland in Ireland called Tullysalon. The closest in Armagh would be Tullysaran in Eglish parish. (Eglish is a good distance away from Creggan and Newtownhamilton parishes which border). I'm wondering if Alice was from one of the Tullyvallan townlands in Newtownhamilton civil parish.
Tullyvallan 4,655 Armagh Fews Upper Newtownhamilton Castleblayney Ulster Tullyvallan (Hamilton) East 294 Armagh Fews Upper Newtownhamilton Castleblayney Ulster Tullyvallan (Hamilton) East 81 Armagh Fews Upper Newtownhamilton Castleblayney Ulster Tullyvallan (Macullagh) 181 Armagh Fews Upper Newtownhamilton Castleblayney Ulster Tullyvallan (Tipping) East 151 Armagh Fews Upper Newtownhamilton Castleblayney Ulster Tullyvallan (Tipping) West You may want to look at a film of the Roman Catholic church records from the area that is maintained by the Mormon Church. www.familyhistory.org You can order the film online and review the film at a Mormon Family History Center. Hopefully, there is an FHC near you.
Roger McDonnell
The Catholic parish of Creggan Lower, also known as Cullyhanna, includes the civil parish of Newtownhamilton and part of the parish of Creggan.
Baptisms, 1845-1880; and marriages, 1845-1881; another copy. Family History Library BRITISH Film 979710 Items 1 - 2 Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
Wednesday 5th Jun 2013, 07:30PM -
Thank you very much for your replies! Thanks especially for the information about the marriage record. I paid to see it and it looks like the right people. The marriage is a RC church record dated 26-Jun-1831 between Pat Duffy and Alley Burne. The marriage took place in LOUGHGILLY and was witnessed by Bernard McGinn and Peter Carr. No parents were listed, unfortunately.
Wednesday 5th Jun 2013, 07:57PM -
The limited information on the marriage was normal for that time. All Canon law required was the names of the bride and groom and their 2 witnesses, and mostly that was all you got. It?s very rare to see parents names on an RC marriage before the 1860s, nor townlands, occupations etc.
At least you have a more reliable area to search now for the family. That church was likely to be the bride?s, so her baptism and that of any siblings probably took place there.
Ahoghill Antrim
Wednesday 5th Jun 2013, 09:17PM