Ryan Family, Foilacanna, Kilcommon, Tipperary, Ireland

Not sure if you've seen Michael's baptism.

From RootsIreland, here is a transcription of your Michael’s baptism.

Michael Ryan    

Baptism:              01-Apr-1824

Address:               Foilaconony       

Parish/District:   KILCOMMON

Co. Tipperary

Denomination:   Roman Catholic

Father:  John Ryan           

Mother:               Mary Callaghan

Sponsors              Cornelius Ryan

               Margt Callaghan

RootsIreland shows baptisms for five siblings of Michael:

               Ryan      Daniel    1825     

               Ryan      John       1827     

               Ryan      Johanna               1829     

               Ryan      James    1831                    

               Ryan      Mary      1834     

I hope this is helpful.

Kristeen:

The spelling of the townland is Foilacamin which is part of the civil parish of Buolick. The related RC parish would be Gortnahoe also known as Glencoole.

I searched on the subscription site Roots Ireland and looked for Michael Ryan baptisms in Gortnahoe RC parish. There was one reocrd in 1809 another in 1810 and then the next record was in 1826.

Michael Ryan baptized May 20 1826 father Thomas Ryan and mother Cate Ryan (her maiden name), There were also Michael Ryan baptismal records in 1827, 1829 and 1830. None of the fathers names was John.

I did not locate the marriage record for Michael Ryan to Honora (Mary) Carney. I did not locate a baptismal record for a Honora Carney (with variants in Gornahoe but I did find an 1830 baptismal record for a Mary Carney in Gortnahoe

Mary Carney baptized sometime in 1830 in Gortnahoe father John Carney and mother Mary Brenan.

Has anyone in your line taken a general DNA test?

Roger McDonnell

Patricia,

Thank you so much!! I have not not seen this before. 

This helps so much. 

Kristeen 

Roger,

Thank you so much for this information. Myself and my sister have both done the DNA through ancestry.com. 

Kristeen 

Hello Roger,

It looks like we have given Kristeen conflicting info...I found a baptism for a Michael in Foilnacanony in Kilcommon, as above.  Would you kindly review it and let me know what you think? Thank you so much.

Patricia/Roger,

Attached transcription of the baptism of a Michael Ryan in Kilcommon on April 1st 1824.

Regards,

McCoy,

Thank you so much. It looks like on your information Mary is listed Mary is listed as Mary O'Calahan instead of Mary Callaghan as she is listed on Patricia's info. Maybe with further research I will be able to clear that up. I'm just grateful to know that the parents I had listed for Michael appear to be correct and that Patricia was able to find his siblings. 

I can't begin to express how much I appreciate everyone's help. 

Kristeen 

O'Calahan and Callaghan are just two of the various ways that the Irish surname Ó Ceallacháin was "anglicized", and people sometimes used different anglicized forms of their own surname over time.  Especially in Irish-speaking areas (which would have included that part of Kilkenny in the 1820's), it was often the parish priest or other official who chose how to anglicize or spell the name anyway, and the family (which might have been illiterate) wouldn't necessarily have known the difference (or even cared all that much). 

You can see more info about the townland of Foilagamin at this link:

https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/slievardagh/buolick/buolick/foilagam…

It appears to be spelled with a "g" now.  Like surnames, townland names were anglicized in numerous ways, and the version used in records often varied over time.  The Irish form of the name has apparently not been clarified, but it was probably something like Faill na gCamán, meaning  "cliff of the ___s" [not sure which of several possibilities would go in the blank].  The small "g" before the capital "C" is a grammatical/pronunciation thing in Irish which often confused/confuses English speakers, so shifts from one letter to the other in anglicized forms are very common.

Just noticed the Foilnacanony form of the townland name mentioned above.   I suspect the Irish form was Faill na gCanón ("Cliff of the Canons" - referring to Augustinian friars who presumably once lived there).  In local dialect, that might also have been rendered [ungrammatically] as Faill na Canónaigh, yielding the Foilnacanony form.

Kevin,

Thank you so much for the information. I appreciate learning everything I can. I believe that there is a possibility that I have have the wrong location and father for my Michael Ryan but I am not sure. I'm going to try to research more to see if I can know for sure. There is no doubt that it is Michael Ryan and that he moved here from Ireland and died in Ohio however, there are quite a few to choose from so it looks like I need to make sure I have the right one. 

Thanks again. 

Kris