Hello !
I'm hoping for some help regarding the location in County Mayo, of this 7 year old boy who seems to be up to no good!
He's my grandfather on my mums side - Patrick James Mangan. I've yet to find a birth for him as the paper trail (marriage / cenus / etc ) give years ranging between 1872 and 1882. His marriage in 1911 tells me he was 29 and his fathers name was John, there was a witness named Julia Mangan (don't know who she was ). I know a lot about his life from 1909 as he was in London by that time in the Metropolitan Police - got sacked for striking and imprisoned for assult in 1919 (various newspaper reports on that event).
I'm currenty exploring birth records for Mayo with John Mangan as a father - by process of elimination. It would help greatly if I was able to pinpoint a location, hoping it may be near the location referred to in the report. Thanks for reading.
Jan Parker - looking for Mangan Co Mayo
Tuesday 28th Nov 2023, 04:42PMMessage Board Replies
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Jan, As you probably know, the Metropolitan Police website said that he once gave his birth date as 15 Nov 1880.
I found the following baptismal record on rootireland. Perhaps keep it in mind due to the Nov. date?
Name: James Mangan
Baptism: 16-Nov-1879
Address: Dooagh
Parish/District: ACHILL
County MAYO
Roman Catholic
Father: John Mangan
Mother: Peggy Moran
Sponsors:
Pat Moran
Mary Moran
Do you know the names of Patrick's children? If so, kindly send them.
Patricia
Tuesday 28th Nov 2023, 07:29PM -
Thank you - he had three girls to Theresa Fett, whom he married in1911 - Mary Veronica / Patricia Theresa / Kathleen Theresa ( my mum)
I’ve never seen that birth on Met Police Site - can you send a link please . That date is on 1939 register - so that’s one consistency at least!
Jan Parker - looking for Mangan Co Mayo
Tuesday 28th Nov 2023, 09:15PM -
Jan,
I think it's more likely that his first name would be in a birth record, not a second name. Looking on the civil registration site at irishgenealogy.ie, there are seven Patrick Mangars born between 1875 and 1880 with a father named John. I did not want to download them all here when you can find them easily, but here are some brief details:
1874 Claremorris group reg. number 145
1875 Castlebar group reg. number 284
1875 Castlebar " " 053
1876 Ballina " " 614
1877 Newport " " 188
1880 Newport " " 494
1880 Newport " " 025
The marriage record from 1911 shows he was 29, thus born in 1882, so something is off....not unusual though.
Regards,
Carolyn
Tuesday 28th Nov 2023, 11:51PM -
Thank you … did you click the link and have a read of the newspaper report ? Wondering which of these would be in the area - I’m afraid I’ve not been able to pinpoint where the event took place .. thanks for your help.
Jan Parker - looking for Mangan Co Mayo
Wednesday 29th Nov 2023, 04:54PM -
Patricia
Wednesday 29th Nov 2023, 05:03PM -
Ooh that’s me - I’d forgotten I posted to that site … ! That was a few years ago when I started looking. It’s his birth I was missing then - and still not discovered it!
Thanks for you help.
Jan …
Jan Parker - looking for Mangan Co Mayo
Wednesday 29th Nov 2023, 06:02PM