Patrick Beirne (b probably in early 1840's) married Margaret Dyer on 18 May 1868 (Rowan, Leitrim ). They lived in Drumroosk South, Fenagh and raised their children there.
Patrick Beirne was the son of Francis (per marriage record), who was also in Griffith's as living at Drumroosk South.
Margaret Dyer was daughter of James Dyer/Dwyer. I do not know where these Dyers are from because I can't find any records on them.
Patrick Beirne and Margaret Dyer had at least 10 children beginning with twins in 1869: Anne, Ellen, Catherine 1870, Francis 1871, Bridget 1872, James 1874, Margaret 1875, Mary 1876, Margaret 1877, Eliza 1882, Thomas 1882, Lizzie 1884 (my great grandmother).
At 16, Lizzie Beirne was living in Drumroosk South with her brother James, his wife and baby in 1901. Then later that year, she emigrated to US, Providence, RI.
I have many Dyer matches in the US and want to know more about these ancestors (Margaret and her father James). I would love to know her mother's name, and other siblings.
I have many Leitrim DNA matches that lived in Providence Rhode Island are, which is where my grandfather was born in 1906 to Lizzie Burns/[Beirne]. She gave him up for adoption when he was nearly 3 yrs so I did not have much family knowledge to start with.
Among the matches I have to Leitrim people in Providence, I have a match that has a Francis Dyer and Ellen Beirne from Leitrim, in same generation as mine just mentioned. There is also a marriage of a Francis and Ellen on same page as my Patrick and Margaret in Leitrim. (Could be 2 sets of siblings possibly). On Ellen's death certificate it lists her father as Patrick (consistent) and mother as Ann (which is also Patrick and Margaret's first born daughter's name, which works for the naming convention). And Francis Dyer's father is "James" (same as Margaret Dyer's). So they appear to be double siblings.
What I would love to know is more Dyer family members: Margaret's mother's name, their other children's names, maybe even spouse names... And I'd love to know Francis Beirne's info (birthplace, wife, etc).
Beirne's may have come from Roscommon before 1800's.
It seems as though perhaps more Dyer's may have come to the US than Beirnes' based on the number of dna matches.
Thank you for any input anyone is able to provide.
Debbie
DLeeValeri
Tuesday 10th May 2022, 02:36PMMessage Board Replies
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Debbie,
Perhaps this is your Patrick?
Patrick Beirne
Baptism: 05-Mar-1836
Address: Drumroosk
Parish/District: FENAGH RC parish. Co. Leitrim
Co. LeitrimParents: Francis Beirne, Catherine Magirl
I hope this helps.
(Info from rootsireland.ie)
Patricia
Tuesday 10th May 2022, 03:02PM -
Debbie:
I searched on the subscription site Roots Ireland and believe I located the baptismal record for Patrick Beirne March 5 1836 in Fenagh with father Francis and mother Catherine Magirl. There were other children Bridget 1825 James 1827 Catherine 1828 Francis (1840) Elenor (1842).
The Fenagh records start in 1825 so you won't find a baptismal record for Francis Beirne.
The 1868 marriage record has Margaret Dyer in Mough townland in Fenagh civil parish. Mough is about 2 1/2 miles north of Drumroosk South townland.
I looked for Margaret's baptismal record but did not locate the record. I also did not find a James Dyer/Dwyer in Fenagh parish so possibly the Dyer/Dwyers were from a nearby parish and later moved to Mough. I also did not find James Dyer/Dwyer in the Griffiths Valuation in Fenagh or Mohill parishes.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Roger McDonnell
Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
Tuesday 10th May 2022, 03:10PM -
Debbie:
See fourth record James Dyer died in Drumroosk in 1884 grandson Francis Beirne was the informant. He was a widower.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_retu…
I also found a death record in 1864 (January 17) for an Anne Dyer husband James Dyer was the informant. James was a herd which explains why he was not in the Griffiths. They lived in Sallyfield which is likely a local place name since it is not a townland.
I also found a February 18 1841 marriage in the Mohill RC church for a James Dyer and Anne Macgarty. This could be the marriage for Margaret's parents.
Roger
Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
Tuesday 10th May 2022, 03:18PM -
Patricia, Roger McDonnell: Thank you SO much for your help and great success finding information!! I am so grateful for wonderful people like yourselves! I have been searching for decades and have just started breaking this wall down about a month ago. So happy.
Question 1 for Roger: when listing the other children of Francis Beirne and Catherine.. is there any reason why the last two children's birth years are in parenthesis?
Question 2 for Roger; What do you mean in the last part: "James [Dyer] was a herd which explains why he was not in Griffiths." What is a herd and why would that matter?
Also a general question-- in Griffiths: Do the landlords usually live nearby?
Thank you,Debbie
DLeeValeri
Wednesday 11th May 2022, 03:33AM -
Debbie:
First question-- not sure why I had added parentheses to the last two years. There is no significance.
Second question- a herd managed cattle or other livestock. The Griffiths listed individuals who were leasing land. A herd usually worked for someone else and would not be leasing land.
Third question-- landlords may have lived nearby. Landlords with many properties may have lived in another part of Ireland or possibly England. They may have had a steward managing their properties.
Roger
Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
Wednesday 11th May 2022, 11:55AM -
Roger,
Thank you for your response.
I may have found my James Dwyer in Griffith's.
I found out that Sallyfild is a local name for Dunavinally, Cloone, which an adjacent townland to Drumroosk South, Fenagh. His wife died there ("Sallyfield") in 1864. Dunivinally was recorded in Griffith's in 1857 and there's a James Dwyer there at 1a. (Dyer and Dwyer are both used on and off again in the family's records). So maybe all their children were born in Cloone. The marriages of 2 of their children shows the Dyer spouse as residing in Mough, Fenagh in May 1868 and Jan 1869. So far, I know of 3 children of James and Anne: Margaret, Francis, and Patrick (was listed as Patrick's brother on a census in Providence, RI). Still looking...
Debbie
DLeeValeri
Thursday 12th May 2022, 02:52PM