My DNA strongly points to the Lough Corrib area of Galway. I have searched the Griffiths Valuation records and the Landed Estate Court Rentals records. The closest I can come to a Peter Curley, my ggg Grandfather, is an entry in Griffiths Valuation 1855, for Plot 1r a House and Lands in Ower the owner is Jn & Ths Johnston. Is there any way of finding more information about the actual people living in that house? There is a Michael Curley on the same estate in 1c. Maybe a relative? I have in-laws in Moycullen and would visit them, again, and Ower if this is my family's townland. Please advise.
pstauder
Friday 21st Jul 2023, 11:42PMMessage Board Replies
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Can you provide any other details about Peter? Approx year of birth? Parents? Siblings? Wife? Children? Religion? Occupation? Anything you know. Thanks.
Patricia
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Roots Ireland lists 8 Peter Curleys who were heads of households in Griffith's Valuation of Galway. One is in Ower townland in Killannin parish.
Source Surname First Name Townland Parish County Griffith Curley Peter Ballyeighter(Mahon) Ahascragh Co. Galway Griffith Curley Peter Doonaree Killallaghten Co. Galway Griffith Curley Peter Killoran Killoran Co. Galway Griffith Curley Peter Drinaun Killeroran Co. Galway Griffith Curley Peter Ower Killannin Co. Galway Griffith Curley Peter Garraun South Kilbegnet Co. Galway Patricia
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Regarding Post by Patricia, the church records for the parish of Killannin are from 1875. Civil records from January 1st 1864.
There is a Patrick Curley in Kylemore and a Denis in Birchall which is on the banks of the Corrib and in the parish of Kilcummin, Oughterard. Records from 1809 with some exceptions.
There is a John Curley in Canrawer West - Oughterard Town.
What years are you researching for your ggg Grandfather?
Regards,
McCoy
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Attached Files
Attached record of the death of a Peter Curly in 1870 in the Registrar's District of Oughterard.
Address not recorded. The townland of Ower - Killanin is in that District
I will try and get a copy of the record at my local office on Monday. I am familiar with the area of Ower Killannin.
Regards,
McCoy
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Thanks to all for the replies and the efforts.
Peter Curley's son William was born about 1842. William's marriage cert1865 from Prescot England does not list father as deceased so I believe he was still alive then. For research, I am placing Peter at about 20+ years old when William was born -say the 1820's. Are there any estate records on the Johnston property where Peter rented? I am doing a map over lay of the property in Griffiths Valuation records. William was Roman Catholic but I am checking both RC and Church of Ireland records.
pstauder
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Attached FilesRyan Sale 1871 - Parish of Killannin_1.pdf (988.49 KB)Ower - Killannin - Sale_0.pdf (962.25 KB)Curley Representatives of - Ower 1830.pdf (976.37 KB)Ower - Peter Curley_0.pdf (823.24 KB)Ower - Map - Parish of Killannin_0.pdf (1.09 MB)
Further detail on Ower.
Lease to Michael Curley dated 11th October 1830 from Arthur French St. George. He was after purchasing the holding from James Martin of Ross House.
In 1871 the holding was the property of James Ryan. It was purchased by Edward Guilfoyle.
Detail of tenants and map were prepared for the sale in 1871. Michael Curley's entry is shown as "The Representatives of Michael Curley", apparently Michael had died by 1871. Under the Johnston ownership there is a record of a Michael and a Peter Curley. They are possibly the sons of Michael (1).
Regards,
McCoy
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Thank you for all the information and the attachments. Do you know if there is a town historian in Ower that might have some additional information or some pictures of where the property would have been? I have checked to see if there are church records for this time, but none exist from what I researched.
pstauder
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pstauder,
I have checked with my local registration office this morning and no record was found for the death of a Peter Curly/Curley in the Oughterard District 1870, on the computerised system.
I have contacted the Galway registration office to have the original register for Oughterard checked for 1870. This will take c10 to 14 days.
I see a record for 1863 - Peter Curly - Outerard Petty Sessions. Recovery of a debt of seven shillings and six pence.
The 1901 Irish census has two records for the surname - Curley - in Ower. Honor and Mary. Both are widows and recorded as 70 years.
I sent an email to a contact in Gortmore which adjoins Ower. I am waiting on a reply.
Regards,
McCoy
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Thank you, thank you. That is a great deal of help. I also saw the Census listings and wondered if there is a connection. There are a number of Ireland Poverty Relief Loans in the 1845 -,1856- and 1847-time frame where a Peter Curley in a co-signer for security. The places were Moycullen and Drynane. Do not know this last-named place. Is it close to Ower?
Can your contact tell if there are still Curley's in Ower?
I also found my mother's family roots (Lyna/Lynagh) in Kells, Meath. So, I may have to line up a trip and hit both counties.
Peter
pstauder
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Peter,
I have just received a phone call from an Official in the Galway Registration Office. He has confirmed that he has found a death record for a Peter Curly, Ower. He is forwarding a transcription by post which should reach me by tomorrow.
I will get back to you later.
Regards,
McCoy
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Taht is fantastic. Thank you. If there is any cost let me know and I will reimburse you. Peter
pstauder
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Peter.
The record has not yet through. Usually one to two days.
In relation to Peter Curley, Ower, I attach Civil records for (1) Patrick Curley born 1867 to Peter Curley and Mary Sullivan, No. 38 on sheet. This roughly corresponds with the 1901 and 1911 Irish census. Patrick, apparently, did not marry.
There is also a birth for a Peter Curley in 1868. Father - Teddy (Timothy) and mother Honor Walsh. Honor Walsh Curley died in 1910.
I am informed that there are no Curly/Curley families in Ower at the present time.
Regards,
McCoy
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Attached FilesScan_20230728.jpg (138.56 KB)
Peter,
I attach a transcript of the death record of Peter Curley in Ower - May 21st 1870.
Ellen Conneely, the informant, was apparently going to the town of Oughterard and notified the death to the Deputy Registrar. No doctor certified the death. Hopefully, a copy of the original record will become available in due course.
Not known if Ellen Conneely was connected to the deceased.
Regards,
McCoy
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Thanks for the record and the great effort to find it. I am seeing a problem here. This Peter Curley dies in 1870 at age 40. My William is born in 1842 (+or-) So Peter, the father, would be about 12. Now I know birth dates and ages were not always accurate, but do you think the estimated age of this Peter could be off by about 10 years? Could he be 50, not 40?
pstauder
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Peter,
Without local parish records it is difficult to come to any conclusion about ages. I attach a birth record for a Bridget Curley, daughter of Peter Curly and Mary Sullivan in 1864 The 1911 Irish census record both as unmarried, which is unfortunate!
In the same record there is a William Connor in the nearby townland of Burnthouse. His mother is recorded as Margaret Sullivan. She could be a relative of Mary Sullivan. There were a number of families named "Sullivan" in the townland of Ower.
Children in this time period did not always attend State schools and were often educated informally.
Can you name the Borrowers which you queried in your previous Post. I have been unable to find the Guarantors.
Regards,
McCoy
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Peter,
I attach a photocopy of the original death record of Peter Curly - Ower - Parish of Killannin.
If I come across any further information, I will post it to you.
Have you made contact with your Moycullen connection as to what they may know of the Curley's of Ower?
Best Wishes,
McCoy
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The Moycullen side can only be reached by snail mail, so I have not reached out to them as of this date.
For the borrowers: 1844,1845 and 1856- Rodger and Dominic Lydon and Peter was living at 5th street Claddagh, Galway.
1845, borrower was Martin O'Neill, Moycullen.
1846-borrower Mick Martin- Drynane
1847 borrower Peter Curley- Drynane
In the 1853 Landed Estate Court Rentals Brought Forward- Peter Curley rents 48+ acres, lot #17 Drinaun in the Barony of Killian. Does any of this help or make sense? The 1871 records still show Peter as a renter but this starts May 1st and the death record you sent says May 21st.
Peter
pstauder
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Peter,
I do not think that there is any connection to Peter Curley of Ower in those records.
I attach two records where Peter Curley was summoned to the Outerard Magistrate court in 1863 and 1871. In 1863 the case related to civil debt and in 1871 it was in relation to the failure to have his son - Patrick - inoculated. The case was dismissed. Peter had been dead by then.
Regards,
McCoy