Share This:

James Gilmore "born in the parish of Foxford in or near the town of Cloongee on th County of Mayo by trade a labourer aged 19 years" attested for army service, 63rd Regiment of foot at Castlebar 28/3/1821. He was discharged 31/3/1837, pension records state intended place of residence - Foxford. Pension record 22/11/1837 states place of residence  "155 Castlebar", some other pensioners had similar addresses such as "157 Castlebar". (Pension record show transfer to Wolverhampton UK 1847)

I'd like to find the baptism record for James, born 1802 or 1803. Although UK census records suggest the date could be 1800 or 1801.

Where is/was the Castlebar address - could it be that he and some other pensioners lived in the Castlebar garrison?

James married Margaret Kilroy, who on UK census shows she was also born in County Mayo. Is there a record of this marriage?

James and Margaret had a daughter Mary Ann born in Castlebar 1st June 1842. Is there a record of this or of her baptism?

Y(ears of birth for James and Margaret are unclear - The UK 1851 census shows James aged 45, Margaret aged 25 and daughter Ann aged 6 in Dudley.The UK 1861 census states James is 60, Margaret's age is undecipherable perhaps 41, Ann is 16 and James has been born in Dudley now aged 9.)

I would appreciate any information or advice to trace this part of my family tree.

 

 

 

Cath

Tuesday 24th Jul 2018, 02:20PM

Message Board Replies

  • Cath:

    Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

    I searched the subscription site Roots Ireland and did not find baptismal records for James, Margaret or Catherine. James and Margaret were born before available records andalthough Castlebar baptismal records start in 1838, a record for Mary Ann did not come up. You may want to scan the Castlebar RC parish register to see if the record is there. Likely she was baptized in a parish that no longer has records back to 1842.  

    https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000631982#page/1/mode/1up

    I had a little more success with land records. Cloongee is in the civil parish of Templemore. The 1833 Tithe listings and 1856 Griffiths Valuation head of household listings both show a Michael Gilmore in Cloongee. Likely he was a brother to James.

    http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625723/00…

    https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/mayo/templemore.htm

    The 1901 census for Cloongee shows five separate Gilmore households   http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Toomore/Cloongee/

    Roger McDonnell

    Castlemore Roscommon, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

    Tuesday 24th Jul 2018, 04:19PM
  • My mother's parents were from parishes just to the east of Templemore, and I've searched many of the local parish registers, but as Roger noted most do not go back far enough for the baptsms which you want.  However, you might be able to find a marriage record for James and Margaret in the registers for either Swinford or Toomore (both of which adjoin Templemore), since they go back further than the others.  People were sometimes baptized or married in a nearby parish which already had a church in the early 1800's, when many Catholic churches were newly being built or rebuilt.

    I have no known Gilmore relatives (though we're probably still related, at least distantly), but I happened to note down a James and Mary Gilmore acting as witnesses to a marriage on 15 July 1839 in Toomore.  There could be other Gilmore records there which I didn't note down, since I was looking for other surnames.  Here's a link to the Toomore marriage registers (same NLI site as the one to which Roger directed you), and you'll see an interactive map there which allows you to move easily to other parishes nearby:   https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0131

    In irish, Cloongee is Cluain Gaoith, which looks as though it means "estuary meadow" ("cluain" definitely means "meadow", but there's apparently some debate about the other word, which is close to the word for "wind", but not in the right form to make "windy meadow").  You can find more info about Cloongee at this link:  https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/gallen/templemore/toomore/cloongee/

    In case you're interested, the surname Gilmore in Ireland has two separate origins.  One "clan" originated in Ulster, and the other originated in what is now Sligo.  Templemore is near the Sligo border, so you're likely to be descended from that "clan", although there were many people who came to Mayo in the 1600's form Ulster.  According to MacLysaght's Surnames of Ireland, the Irish form of the Ulster surname is Mac Giolla Mhuire ("son of the devotee of [the Virgin] Mary"), while the Irish form of the Sligo surname is Mac Giolla Mhir, which seemss to mean something like "son of the devotee of the lively one" (no further explanation was given).  Surnames of Gaelic origin are almost always based on the name or nickname of, or a characteteristc of, the family ancestor (real or purported),

    kevin45sfl

    Tuesday 24th Jul 2018, 05:48PM
  • Thank you both for such prompt and helpful replies. I was at a loss to know where to look next so I appreciate your information and suggestions

     

    Cath

    Wednesday 25th Jul 2018, 01:19PM

Post Reply