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Hello-  I'm relatively new to genealogy.  I am looking for information on Thomas Grimley and his wife Jane Hughes who emigrated from Armagh to Orange County New York around the time of the US Civil War.  I don't know how/where to begin.  Any suggestions?  Thank you.

 

Trinuts

Friday 24th Jan 2020, 08:27PM

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  • Hello, I am looking at unanswered queries and yours appears easy enough to have been answered. The first thing you have going for you is Grimley is not going to be a common name in Ireland. It is of great assistance to know the religion as we use church records prior to civil records commencing, for Prostestant marriages commenced in 1845 (nio sign of yours but 8 Grimley marriages recorded) all civil records started in 1864 if you have a parents name you can check for deaths etc https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ 

    So I would start with what you know, they married, when, their age (often approximate from death certificate) is the parents names on any documentation.

    In 1863/4 there was a land valusation done for all Ireland and Armagh was the dates previous, you will see 36 I think Grimleys on it in Armagh and 837 Hughes, all that is recorded is the head of house and whethe tenant or landlord, plus plot number and map, a tricky look but not important unless you want to visit. 

    https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=name…;

    If you get a religion and  date of birth or marriage (approximate is ok) There is a Tithe Applottment books for those holding over an acre of land and again only head of house.

    http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp 

    Armagh is now in Northern Ireland (part of UK) and their records office is PRONI https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/campaigns/public-record-office-northern-ire…

    If you know the address in Armagh you may find some family in the census of 1901 and 1911 free online here

    https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ Earlier census were destroyed but scraps remain. 

    So to start we need a name and where and a religion to search subscription sites but the Mormons have a free site that can be useful at Family Search 

    https://www.familysearch.org/en/united-states/ 

    There at subscription site for easier research and a mumber of local Facebook genealogy private groups based on county etc 

    Most migration records are on subscription site and there is no records for people travelling from Ireland to England etc as it was and is a free travel zone.

    Regards

    Pat

    Pat O Holloran, IrelandXO Volunteer

    Monday 18th Mar 2024, 12:01AM
  • Thank you so much for replying.  The family was Roman Catholic.  Jane was born about 1847; her obituary said she was born in “Balliwire, County Armagh, Northern Ireland.” She married Thomas at age 17.  Thomas was born about 1838 and supposedly in Keady.  His brother Robert’s tombstone said he was born in Racarbry.  Mary Grimley was their mother, there were also two other brothers, Peter and Phillip.

    A couple of those websites you provided were broken links, FYI.

     

    Thanks again.

    Trinuts

    Wednesday 8th May 2024, 10:17PM
  • Me again, there is a Jane Hughes born in Armagh parish (city now in County Armagh, now Northern Ireland) she was baptised the 1st Aug 1846 (2nd year of famine) father Henry and mother Jane Quinn, she is listed as a twin, witnesses are John & Ellen McBride. Now a bit of a wow, the twin is Mary but her sponsors are Thomas Grimly and Mary Grimly. Other children 1840 to 1850 are Roseann baptised 15 Jan 1844; sponsors John & Susan Quinn. James, baptised Dec. 29, 1840 sponsors James Duffy and Maria McKenna. Oddly there is another child born in Tynan parish to a James Hughes and Jane Quinn, Saragh 1838, I extended the search to 1835 to 1855.

    I could not locate a Thomas Grimly baptism (spellings are sometimes Grimley) the only possible marriage is in 1863 a Thomas Grimly married a Susan Hughes in Loughgilly, Armagh and it may be that she was called Susan to distinguish her from another relative Jane but given the parish of marriage I am stretching things as it is a bit far from Armagh city, not huge distance but in 1863 a bit to get there and usually marriages are in the brides parish. The sponsors names occur in various marriages so were obviously common in the area, there were a numbr of Hughes queries for Armagh on this site if you wish to search.

    The only broken link I found was for the Tithe Applottment Books so if you Google that you should get it, also it is a tax on people owning or renting land above an acre I think and only head of house etc so need to know who you are looking for.

    Regards

    Pat

    Pat O Holloran, IrelandXO Volunteer

    Wednesday 15th May 2024, 11:03PM
  • Oh this is wonderful information, more than I ever hoped for.  Thank you so much!
    You are terrific!!

    Trinuts

    Thursday 16th May 2024, 10:49PM

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