FRANCIS CAMPBELL LIVED IN NEWRY

Hello Atticus,

I found the civil registration marriage record for Francis Campbell and Margaret Weir at the free irishgenealogy.ie website. At the time of marriage in Newry on 28 March 1859, Francis and Margaret are shown to have been previously married.

I also found the civil registration Newry birth records for Francis Campbell’s children that you had mentioned, including Adelaide (1864); Charlotte (1866); Walter (1868); and Lucy (1871). The birth record for Adelaide further shows that her mother was formerly a Leonard and formerly a Weir. This means she was first married to a fellow named Leonard before she married Francis Campbell.

I also located the 1876 death for Margaret Campbell and the 1883 death record for her husband Francis Campbell at the irishgenealogy.ie website. If you do not have all these records please let me know and I’ll send copies of originals to you.

Kind Regards,

Dave Boylan

THIS is wonderful !!! you are so kind ! I would love to see the 1876 death record on Margaret ..I have been gathering info for several years. i am going to review what I have and get back to you. I know james and Adelaide immigrated to NY but the rest are my brick walls...did they stay in Ireland? are their families still around?  and I would love to find out about the Weirs. I think I have exhausted the military knowledge on Francis but I cannot get farther back than his fathers name is Charles?....from one document.....

there is a family rumour that his first wife, Ann Harwin *Hardwin *Hearwin was a lady in waiting of on the Queens court?...never found out about her death or life...they married in 1842 England...

THANK YOU ! JUDY

Hello Judy,

Many thanks for your reply.

As a point of interest, are you related to, or named in part after Harper Lee, author of the Pulitzer Prize winning book, “To Kill A Mockingbird,” who died in 2016?

“To Kill A Mockingbird” is one of my favorite books and favorite movies with Gregory Peck, starring as Atticus Finch.

Concerning Margaret Campbell, I found her civil registration death record at the free irishgenealogy.ie website, showing that she died on High Street, Newry on 31 January 1876. At the time of death she was 47 years old, married, and whose occupation was, “Wife of Clerk.” The cause of death was, “Apoplexy 4 Hours. Uncertified. No Medical Attendant.” The person who was present at Margaret’s death and who reported the death to the district registrar, was Emily Campbell, of High Street. The registrar, Francis Clements Crossle, recorded the death in the Newry Registration District on 4 March 1876. Margaret’s death is Number 277 in the death register which you can access at: https://is.gd/9evMh1

There were two Church of Ireland parishes in Newry at the time of Margaret’s death. One is St. Mary’s and the other St. Patrick’s. Both were not far from High Street. The Public Records Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) holds burial records for St. Mary’s from 1824 to 1876, and burials from St. Patrick’s from 1862 to 1919.

It appears the two churches had been combined at one time with St. Patrick’s becoming its own parish in 1870s.

PRONI has a free enquiry service as well as a paid service to look for individual church baptism, marriage, and burial records.

For more information about free enquiries and paid research at PRONI, go to: https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/proni-enquiry-service

The homepage for PRONI is: https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/proni

Once again, thank you for writing back Judy.

Dave

Thank you for the 2ns time....you are helping people you do not know on a journey of family discovery and history of their past...I am not related to Harper Lee I just love the name Atticus as well as the story and movie. My family named our Doberman Atticus...he was gorgeous, loving and fun and even tho 95 pounds he sat in our lap...tried anyway... I haven't found any new info on the Newry "Campbell's" ...are you there ar somewhere else?....does Newry have a historical society? I would love to see photographs of the area and time they lived there. I did realize that another one of the 8 children left Ireland and move to NY...Mary Ann Campbell married a William Lunn Mcneice...and moved to NY ..DNA found a cousin now in Florida the is her descendant..so 3 that I know about but 5 remain mysteries...any thanks again!!!

Judy Lee Campbell ...married Burton

Hi Judy

some possibilities for you

Campbell http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/South_Ward_Newry/…

Old Newry  https://www.facebook.com/groups/1460077644050274/about

Newry Journal  https://www.newryjournal.co.uk/category/history/1800-1900/

Hello Judy,

I’m actually located in the U.S. My ancestors came from Cavan, Kerry, Limerick, and Roscommon. County Cavan, like County Down, is in the Province of Ulster.

I think Atticus is a great name for a dog. Coincidentally, today I saw a TV commercial here in the U.S. about dog food where one of the dogs in the commercial was named Atticus.

You’re right Judy, big dogs can be very affectionate and crowd you off the chair when they want to sit with you. I can just picture 90 pound Atticus doing that.

I had two big dogs, brother and sister. I didn’t have to lock the doors with them at home as they would bark like crazy if they didn’t recognize the footsteps coming up the drive. But, if someone had broken into the home, the dogs would have helped the thieves nick the TV and computer, that’s how friendly they really were. These dogs were part Black Lab and Doberman.

I’m not aware of a historical society in Newry but there is the Ulster Historical Foundation’s “Newry and Mourne Ancestral Project” that may be a resource to consider at: https://is.gd/BdugWw

The ancestral project had two free databases you can perform searches at. These are the www.bagenalscastle.com/museum/reside_archive/about.asp and
www.bagenalscastle.com/ancestry

At the link www.bagenalscastle.com/ancestry I found Francis Campbell in a List of Voters in Newry in 1868. See below:

List of Voters for Newry 1868
First name: Francis
Surname: Campbell
Address: 127 High Street
Religion: Episcopalian
Comments: Voted
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There is also the North of Ireland Family History Society you can contact. See: https://www.nifhs.org/

In addition you can contact the aforementioned Ulster Historical foundation. For more information about the UHF, see below:

Ulster Historical Foundation
The Corn Exchange
31 Gordon Street
Belfast BT1 2LG UK
Telephone: 028 9066 1988
Email: enquiry@uhf.org.uk
Website: Ulster Historical Foundation

Ulster Historical Foundation is a not-for-profit educational charity, founded in 1956, with the simple yet important mission to tell the story of the people of the nine counties of Ulster. The Foundation seeks to disseminate heritage and cultural knowledge and to generate and provide the research and educational resources necessary to support individuals, families, groups, educators, and global diasporas in understanding the history of Ulster.
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To access many of the records at the UHF, you need to become a paid member. For membership details see: https://www.ancestryireland.com/membership/

The collection in the UHF pertaining specifically to Newry, County Down include:

Subscribers to Newry Workhouse in 1834 Miscellaneous
Merchants & Traders of Newry Town Directories
Passenger Lists, 1803, Newry, County Down to USA Emigration Records
Administration Bonds: Dromore, Newry and Mourne Wills, pre 1858 Wills & Testamentary Papers
Newry Electors, 1868 Election Records
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You already have the information from the last category, Newry Electors, 1868 showing that the residence of Francis Campbell was 127 High Street, in Newry.

Also see the Google Books entry for “Researching Down Ancestors: A Practical Guide for the Family and Local Historian,” by Ian Maxwell at the following link: https://is.gd/VD80R0

The link will also include several pages from the book “Researching Down Ancestors.”

In addition you can contact the Newry City Library, as they have just reopened their “Cultural Heritage Services.”

The link to the Newry City Library is https://www.librariesni.org.uk/libraries/county-down/newry-city-library/

For more information about the Cultural Heritage Services provided by several Northern Ireland libraries, including Newry, see: https://www.librariesni.org.uk/news/reopening-of-cultural-heritage-serv…

The email address for the Newry Cultural Heritage Service is: newry.heritage@librariesni.org.uk

If you contact the Newry Library, ask if they any old photos of High Street in Newry, as your ancestors had lived there in the 19th century.

There are old maps of Newry available online for free at the GeoHive website. Attached to this reply is an Ordnance Survey Map of Newry from the 1837 to 1842 time period. Once you open the attachment, you’ll see Church Street in the middle of the map running east and west. Church Street, going to the left, or west, runs into a T-Junction. The road it T-junctions into is High Street, though High Street is not labeled in the map. This is the road where the Campbell family lived.

You can see the same area of Church and High Streets, Newry on a Google Map at: https://is.gd/i0LgjQ

The following Google Street View will take you the junction of Church and High Streets in Newry: https://is.gd/5l7flE

Earlier you saw the 1868 voter list for Newry showing that the residence of Francis Campbell was 127 High Street.

I found Francis in the The Belfast And Province Of Ulster Directory for 1866, showing his address at 125 High Street. The directory has him under the category of “Grocers and Spirit Dealers.” The directory entry from PRONI, is attached to this reply.

I would appreciate any new information you may find concerning your Campbells in either Newry or South Africa.

Many thanks for writing Judy, and Best Wishes,

Dave

a photo of Francis and Margaret Campbell

not sure if I did this correctly....added a photo 

The photo came through just fine Judy. Thank you for sending it. Who is the young fellow in the other photo?

Dave

not sure....who it is a cousin in Newburgh NY has an old album of my gg grand father....I am judy lee campbell dau of john boyd campbell son of thomas campbell son of james william gloyne campbell son of francis and ann campbell [harwin.hardwin.or hearwin] first wife...I know a charles was listed on a document for father of francis?..anyway the album is accross the country from me and she has been helpful but not tearing it apart for the backstories....it was assembled by her mother in one of the "sticky type" 70's albums...James had 7 kids....he went from Ireland to NEWBURGH NY to PASADENA CA...so some are still east coast people...he never talked about his family?....or very little except for the Boyd side..his mom...he was a pilot and POW in Germany WWII...stayed in the air force til retirement in CA 1960/61....where do you live..you said in the US?

Judy  

Hi Judy,

Thank you for the information about your family. My dad was also in the Army Air Corps in World War II, having served in North Africa, Sicily, Italy, France, and ending up in Hall, Germany at the war’s end. My uncle was a waist gunner on a B-17 Bomber and completed 25 missions over France and Germany. Neither had been captured however, though my dad died several years after the war as a result of injuries he sustained.

I really admire all those people who served in World War II, including the people on the home front who worked in the factories to provide arms and ammunition to the allies in Europe and Asia.

I followed in my father and uncle’s footsteps and joined the U.S. Air Force at age 18, providing direct combat support as a mechanic with a B-52 Bomber unit during the Vietnam War. I served four years in the Air Force and received an Honorable Discharge.

I live in Connecticut Judy. My Irish ancestors settled here way back in the mid-1800s, either coming here during, or a little after the Great Famine in Ireland. I sometimes wish they had settled a little farther south, such as South Carolina or Georgia, as it can get brutally cold and damp here in New England during the winter.

Thank you again for writing.

Dave

I think we are in the same age or generation..me 72..some  of the same life experience...my brother was in Vietnam ..drafted Army 1967?...discharge SGT in the 25th infantry has a lightening bolt emblem Tropic Thunder?...FYI my mother's family not Irish but the name Talcott ....is her line the first Govenor of Connecticut...her branch ended up in hamilton NY...question are we DNA related? have you done that?

you mentioned South Africa....I have found New Zealand and Austraila...of course English Irish Wales Scottish cousins thru DNA...anything you found?

Judy

Hi Judy,

I believe your brother in the 25th Infantry Division would have been involved in some pretty heavy combat in Vietnam, such as TET in 1968 and incursions into Cambodia. He was probably coming back to the U.S. when I was heading over.

But when we got back to the States we were not treated very kindly by a segment of the population, and so I never talked about being in the military. I too left the service as a sergeant.

Recently I placed a Vietnam War bumper sticker on my car to honor all those who served during that time, though I still don’t talk about it very much, even though attitudes about Vietnam War veterans have changed.

I haven’t done any DNA at all Judy. About three or four years after I started looking for my ancestors, I found cousins in Ireland, and would fly over and visit them every year for 10 or 12 years in a row. Many of them were elderly and after they passed I didn’t keep in touch with the younger generation as they were not interested in their ancestors the way their parents and grandparents were.

I didn’t find that any of my ancestors had lived in South Africa.

After you mentioned that your mom’s ancestors were from the Gov. Talcott line, I looked up information about him and found that he was the first governor of the state to be born in Connecticut, and that he was descended from Connecticut’s founding settlers. He was also one of the committee members who helped to layout the town of Coventry. Nathan Hale was born in Coventry in 1755, and I’ve been to the Hale homestead a few times. It is still a beautiful home in a rural section of Connecticut,

Thanks for writing Judy,

Dave

you never know ...we could be related....Ii watch all the ancestry/DNA shows interesting...and fun...but I am not a celebrity...so it would take a lot of $$ to do for me what they did on TV..I still love the investigation and have many many brick walls..adoptions..a cousin on my mothers side and myself were really deep into research..found out his grandmother had an affair? so on his DNA line we were not related but he grew up in the same house hold etc and we still stay in touch lots of surprises...anyway we should stay on task...Ireland...you were there a lot...did you ever want to spend extended time there? I would love to go take my brother...we both still work an ethic from our families ??...I am at Providence St Joseph Hospital and he substitute  teaches history in High Schools in the outer Dallas area.

I went around the world traveled a LOT before I married had a family**** Scotland yes.Ireland no always thought we were Scottish...but now I know they were both..I remember the Campbell name was not welcome I traveled alone at that time was eating sardines on toast [never again] in small cafe and a local man told me of a massacre the Campbell Clan had done ..not really pleasant ..did not stay as long as I would have liked..

I am a member of the Ulster Foundation just don't know how to use the resources...

Judy 

Hi Judy,

My favorite genealogy show was, "Who Do You Think You Are?" where they interviewed mainly celebrities who could afford to take time off and go to far flung places where their ancestors had lived. I especially enjoyed the shows about people with roots in Ireland, and the British Isles. I don't think there are any new episodes for 2021 yet, as they've been postponed due to the Covid.

Every time I went to Ireland I wanted to extend my time there, traveling to all 32 counties and visiting relatives and friends, mainly in County Tipperary, Limerick, and Kerry. But I've also traveled all over Ireland visiting the 32 counties both north and south. One of my best trips was in your ancestral county of Down, where I rented an Irish cottage at the base of the Mountains of Mourne. Another time I rented a cottage up in Ballycastle on the north coast of Antrim. That was a beauty, as it had a loft bedroom and a grill outside, and magnificent views of the ocean.

Another memorable trip was to an area around Fork Hill, County Armagh. That was back in the 1990s during the "Troubles." I was driving down a narrow and shady country lane when all of a sudden, a troop of British soldiers, all well over 6 feet tall, came out of the woods on either side of the road, locked and loaded with firearms, and stopped my car. They were looking for members of the IRA coming up from the Republic, but as soon as they saw Nikon cameras on the front seat of the car, and heard my American accent, they apologized and let me go. They knew I was a Yank over to visit. There's always something to experience around every turn in the road in Ireland. But that experience was one of the more extreme examples of a "turn in the road."

If you go someday you'll probably want to rent the car as that is the best and fastest way to get around the country, visiting the places where your ancestors had lived. Driving on the left takes a little getting used to, but after a while, things settle down if you take your time on the roads. I rented a standard shift car one time out of Shannon Airport, and that was a challenge, as the shift stick is on the left of the driver, while I'm right handed and accustomed to operating a stick shift with the right hand. But, by renting a standard transmission car, I saved $100 a week, and so it was worth shifting with the left hand. I'm not sure if you can rent a standard transmission car in Ireland anymore. I like standard because you have more control over the car.

I used to be a member of the Ulster Historical Foundation, but that was many years ago. You have to buy credits to view their records, though members of the Foundation, I believe, get a discount on the credits.

I hope you can make it to Ireland someday Judy. There are still some things you have to do before going to Ireland because of the Covid. You can read about travel to Ireland from an article by Travel & Leisure Magazine at: https://is.gd/4OkLTG

Many thanks again for writing.

Dave