Winifred Seymour 1833 : Short Biography

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Lots of Seymours in this parish. Think the earliest Seymour that went to Australia was transported in the 1840s.  We had some in Vermont USA ,cousins maybe.

 

peter patten

Thursday 13th August 2020 04:42PM

Hi Peter. No the first one in my family group was Malachi Seymour (uncle of Winifred my 2nd great grandmother) who arrived in Melbourne aboard "The Thetis" on 17 Feb 1842 as a free settler. He then sponsored around a dozen family members over next 30 plus years. He settled at Willowmavin via Kilmore north of Melbourne and was a very successful; farmer although illiterate like most at the time. He married Margaret Clifford in 1847. She was the daughter of convict James Clifford from Bahill (spelling on her and her sister's grave - any help as to location or proper spelling would be great) Tipperary. Her sister Alice (my 3x great grandmother) married Englsh convict Anthony Chevins. There are thousands of descendants of this branch of Seymour family in Australia with much research done but no evidence of any Seymour convicts although one or two may have got to Australia before being picked up by authourities. I have plenty of other Convict ancestors though - Australian Royalty and blue bloods.

Des Jones

Desmond Jones

Friday 14th August 2020 12:00AM

Hi, Seymour/more to Australia......... You could cross check these in the Australian TROVE site.
 

SEYMOUR Ellen 1838 25 Borrisokane xx xx {=husb=James,27 & Marg aret,4.5;Michael,3 + John,0.5.} Ship = Strathfieldsaye
SEYMOUR James 1838 27 Can--town ? xx Known to Priest Moylan of Templederry ?. A quarryman. {+ wife = Ellen , 25 & 3 chn.} Ship = Strathfieldsaye

SEYMORE Mary 1850 17 Castletown Michael / Bridget Mother at Castletown Uncle = Pat McGRATH Ship = Maria
SEYMOUR Winifred 1852 19 Castletown John / Margaret living in Castletown None . R.C. Ship = Irene
SEYMOUR Bridget 1853 24 Castletown William / Mary both dead None . R.C. Ship = Athenian
SEYMOUR John 1854 18 Cashel Town Michael/Kitty Living in Cashel Town Sister=Margaret O'Brien Ship = Stamboul
SEYMOUR John 1855 20 Castletown William / Mary both dead Sis=Bridget Seymour in Sydney. Ship = Nepaul
SEYMOUR William 1855 18 Castletown William / Mary both dead Sis = Bridget Seymour in Sydney. Ship = Nepaul
SEYMOUR Winifred 1858 19 Castletown Dennis / Matty Mother at Kilparteen.Pd by Sister = Elizabeth in Sydney Ship = David McIver
SEYMOUR Michael 1864 26 Castletown David?/Bridget at Castletown.Pd by Mathew Seymour,Mount Dee. Cous = Pat McGRATH at Ultimo. Ship = Sirocco 2

Margot

Friday 14th August 2020 01:50PM

Hi Des

Winifred's parents were John Seymour & Margaret Purcell married in March 1831 in Youghalara parish.

John Seymour was a 'Lackamore' Seymour.  Margaret was from 'Mountsack'.

John died 12 March 1882. Margaret died 23 May 1877.

Winifred was the first of Malachi's nephews & nieces to go to Australia. She travelled on the 'Irene' in 1852 to Sydney.

After their parents death Jeremiah (Winifred's younger brother) emigrated with his young family to Australia to join his siblings.

He was the last of this line to leave Lackamore.

Like you I have been researching our lines of Seymour's for many years. 

Bernadette

Bernadette Speirs

Saturday 15th August 2020 12:21AM

Thanks Margot - Yes Winifred named is my 2x great grandmother.

Bernadette - Are you the daughter of Murray Speirs and Bernadette Seymour.

Would like to have contact and share info. My email is desjones53@bigpond.com ph 0407927867 . Was Winifred the eldest? 

Des

Desmond Jones

Saturday 15th August 2020 01:23AM

Hi Des

I presume Winifred was the eldest daughter as her grandmother was Winifred Egan-Seymour (Married to Jeremiah)

Irish naming tradition is that first girl named for paternal mother etc. 

Yes you have my parents names correct.

Currently working a lot in health / hospital during Covid so will be in touch when I can.

Bernadette

Bernadette Speirs

Saturday 15th August 2020 01:40AM

Hi Des

I presume Winifred was the eldest daughter as her grandmother was Winifred Egan-Seymour (Married to Jeremiah)

Irish naming tradition is that first girl named for paternal mother etc. 

Yes you have my parents names correct.

Currently working a lot in health / hospital during Covid so will be in touch when I can.

Bernadette

Bernadette Speirs

Saturday 15th August 2020 01:40AM

Thanks Bernadette

Have just finished a document on the descendants of Thomas O'Brien (husband of Winifred) and his family and also my 4x great grandfather Convict James Clifford and his descendants which include his daughters Alice (my line) and Margaret who married Malachi Seymour which had a lot of people. Now have started on the Seymour line which will be a lot bigger. Am getting imput from quite a few, the more the merrier.

Des

Desmond Jones

Saturday 15th August 2020 04:10AM

Hi all,  I am not related to any Seymour people.  I hope it helps.
In this link, you will see the areas mentioned in your posts. Templeachally is south west of Nenagh, Nenagh being now the county town of County Tipperary. Emly is further south, near to Tipperary Town.
You will have to search for these Parish names then plot them on a paper map to see where the ancestors are from.
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=sey*&firstname=&county=Tipperary&townland=&parish=&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=&pager.offset=0

This link is ffor the 1850's, each record is a plot of land, also in this link the area comes under Tipperary North, the county was split into two Ridings, North and South.
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=0&Submit.y=0&familyname=seymour&firstname=First+Name&baronyname=&countyname=TIPPERARY%2C+NORTH+RIDING&unionname=&parishname=
At that time there isn't any listed in Tipperary South, this would have been where Emly is.

In 1831 Census this is the only Seymour listed, 6th name from the bottom..........Rev. W. Seymour..........he is in Templemore, not far from Nenagh.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/c19/007246497/007246497_00149.pdf

By 1901 there are quite a few Seymour  families.
I just checked for the eldest, a lady 84 with her sons family in Castletown
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003898748/

 

Margot

Saturday 15th August 2020 09:38AM

Hi

It is easy to conflate the various Seymour lines however the family that Bernadette is researching were Roman Catholic and the other families such as the Rev John Seymour were Church of Ireland and there is no evidence either documentary or Dna to suggest that they were related. It HAS been proven that the Lackamore and Kilparteen Seymours and very possibly the Curragh Seymours are descended from a common ancestor. Similar to Bernadette I and others have been researching Seymours from the Duharra area. 

Tippgal

Sunday 16th August 2020 06:46PM

Hi Tippgal

There is no doubt that the thousands of Australian descendants in this branch came from a staunch Roman Catholic Background.

 

Desmond Jones

Monday 17th August 2020 12:13AM

Des, where did Winifred's husband Thomas O'Brien come from? I have female O'Briens born 1830s Youghalara, lived Castletown, who came to NSW in 1850s. I am trying to find out if they had brothers, and about when their parents died in Castletown probably around 1850-52 - James O'Brien and Mary Meagher/Maher. They were Catholics.

Marilyn Long

MarilynL

Tuesday 18th August 2020 07:20AM

Tom came from Ballylooby, Tipperary. Parents William O'Brien and Margaret Gorman. He had at least 3 sisters Elizabeth who married an O'Connor and children Violet & William came to Australia, another sister also married an O'Connor and son James came to Australia and another sister married a Keating and stayed in Ireland, daughter (I think Bridget) was a nun and often wrote to Tom from Ireland and my grandmother Madge (b 1899) would read them to her grandfather as a young girl. Yes they were Catholics (I am eldest of Madge's 52 grandchildren from 7 children who married plus she also had 2 nuns and a Priest). A number of other relatives took religous orders.

Des

Desmond Jones

Tuesday 18th August 2020 07:41AM

Des, thankyou. Looks like your O'Briens moved north to Youghalara. Mine were from around Thurles and Templemore before going west to Yougalara. I guess O'Brien is a pretty common name which makes f/h sesarching difficult! All the best, Marilyn

MarilynL

Wednesday 19th August 2020 04:51AM

Thanks Marilyn

 

Des

 

 

Desmond Jones

Wednesday 19th August 2020 05:08AM

Hi Bernadette, Des et al

SEYMOUR John 1854 18 Cashel Town Michael/Kitty Living in Cashel Town Sister=Margaret O'Brien Ship = Stamboul

The above is my maternal great grandfather married Mary Malone in Portroe in July 1854. John was sponsored by Martin O'Brien of Pyrmont NSW who married Mary Seymour, an Orphan Lass who arrived 1850 on the "Maria".  In March 1855 one John Ryan & wife Mary nee Malone arrived on "Lord Hungerford" and in December 1855 a son was born to John & Mary Seymour nee Malone. The question is did John not arrive on Stamboul and did he come as John Ryan with Mary.? Mary's parents were John Malone & Mary Conroy. John &he Mary Seymour lived at Pyrmont and John was a quarryman there.  Patrick McGrath was uncle to Mary, John & Margaret Seymour, their mother was Bridget McGrath who married Michael Seymour. Patrick arrived in Sydney in 1844 and he sponsored many families from Castletownarra/Youghal.

 

Maggie Heffernan

maggiemae

Sunday 24th January 2021 03:05AM

Hi Maggie

Love to have further contact. My email is desjones53@bigpond.com

Interestingly my Winifred Seymour's great grandmother was a McGrath. Other names like Ryan and Conroy come up as marrying into family. Have found other Seymours from that area which if we go back far enough are related as it is not a common Irish name.

Hope to hear from you.

Des

Desmond Jones

Sunday 24th January 2021 05:44AM

Hi Maggie

Love to have further contact. My email is desjones53@bigpond.com

Interestingly my Winifred Seymour's great grandmother was a McGrath. Other names like Ryan and Conroy come up as marrying into family. Have found other Seymours from that area which if we go back far enough are related as it is not a common Irish name.

Hope to hear from you.

Des

Desmond Jones

Sunday 24th January 2021 05:44AM

James Seymour, from Castletown parish was married to a Starr woman, I believe. He came out to Vermont USA in the 1850s, with wife and two children,along with many more from that area to continue slate quarrying,  as  at home. The surname is no longer there but lots of descendants.

peter patten

Monday 25th January 2021 02:49PM

Thanks Peter

Good chance he is related to me. Love to hear from any descendants and who his ancestors were.

Des

Desmond Jones

Tuesday 26th January 2021 01:06AM