Patrick Tobin 18101810

Patrick Tobin 1810

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Place of migration
Migrated to /Born in Canada
Additional Information
Date of Birth 1st Jan 1810
Spouse (First Name/s and Maiden/Surname) Married Margaret Casey in 1833. Left Cloghleafin, Cork, Ireland for Douro, Peterborough, Canada in 1847. Children: Patrick b 1834/ Mary b 1835/ Michael b 1837/ William b 1839/ Elizabeth b 1841/ Margaret b 1844/ all born in Cloghleafin.

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  • My Clifford/ Murphy family lived in Cloughleafin. I understand the Clifford family lived across the street from the Tobins. When I visited the area in 2019, the Clifford house was still occupied and had a thatched roof. A couple years ago, I found a site noting Jane Clifford (I assume my great great grandmother's, Catherine Clifford Murphy, aunt) married Thomas Tobin (b.1795). Perhaps a brother or cousin of Patrick Tobin. Jane and Thomas went to Canada about 1825. They were part of the Peter Robinson Settlers who settled in Douro, Ontario.

    I found this picture of the Tobin house on the internet several years ago.

    http://www.kennytree.com/links/john_tobin.htm

    Date of Marriage: 16-Aug-1823
    Parish / District: MITCHELSTOWN County: Co. Cork
    Husband Wife
    Name: Thomas Tobin Jane Clifford
    Address:
    Denomination: Roman Catholic Roman Catholic
    Occupation:
    Age:
    Status:
    Husband's Father Wife's Father
    Name: Not Recorded Tobin Not Recorded Clifford
    Address:
    Denomination:
    Occupation:
    Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
    Name:
    Address:
    Denomination:
    Occupation:
    Witness 1 Witness 2
    Name: John Donell Ellen Callaghan
    Address:
    Notes:

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    Regards- Mary

    MaryTV

    Thursday 7th January 2021 03:24PM
  • Hello Mary,

    Thank you for sending the photos. There used to be a Tobins of Peterborough group on Facebook I think, but I think Facebook orwhoever it was quit hosting it. I know those Tobins are related in some way but I haven't been able to find the connection yet. I think maybe Thomas's father John probably had a brother that stayed in Ireland because my Tobin's didn't arrive in Peterborough, Canada until 1847.  The church records in their Irish parish have a ten year gap so I can't find a record for my Patrick Tobin, so I can't find his parents names. I am familiar with the name Clifford from Douro, and I think there was a John Clifford that was in Michigan at the same time as some of my Tobins. My gr grandfather Michael Tobin worked in one of the logging camps there shortly before he married my gr grandmother Anastasia Barry who was living in Usborn, which was in Huron Co at that time. They left Canada about 1867 and went to Livingston Co Missouri. Did any of your Murphy's live in Chicago? 

    Kind regards,

    Anne

    anne sooter

    Friday 8th January 2021 04:56PM
  • I have read the information on Patrick Tobin, his wife Margaret Casey and family of Cloghleafin with great interest.  My great grandfather was William Tobin (born 1826 approximately)who married Kate Walsh and lived with their 15 children at Cloghleafin.  We believe (if we follow the naming traditions of the times) that William was the son of a David Tobin and his wife Mary Fogarty  We believe David was born circa 1800 and so would have been a contemporary of Patrick.   After many years of research the family connection between a number of Tobins living adjacent to each other on Cloghleafin land is still unknown.  Tithe records show David as the main tenant and subletting to the others.  The internet photos of theTobin house show what was William and Kate's home which was also that of my grandfather their son.

    is it possible to confirm the names of Patrick's parents?  Again it  would appear that if William was David's first son then he would have been named after David's father William  Mother's name unknown.  Any hints or help would be hugely appreciated.

    Sincerely,

    Mary

     

     

     

     

    Cloughleafin

    Friday 23rd April 2021 01:45PM
  • Mary,

    My last message failed to send-

    Sorry, I can't help you with your Tobins. I am still struggling to figure out my Murphy and Clifford family from Cloughleafin. My great great grandparents were John Murphy anf Catherine Clifford. My great grandmother was Honora Murphy who married John Fogarty of Glenlara, Limerick. They had some of their children in Cloughleafin before moving to Ballinvreena, Limerick, a townland next to Glenlara.

    Regards- Mary

    MaryTV

    Friday 23rd April 2021 05:51PM
  • Hi Mary,

    Thank you fir your reply.  Your mention of Glenlara is interesting as in my searches for a William Tobin (father of David ) I discovered in Family Search a William and Patrick in Glenlara also Fogarty family.   Like you I tried to follow up on the Tobin-Clifford marriage and subsequent move to Douro in Canada.  I will check back to see if I still have contacts re that which may help you.  I'll contact you further if I can gather the info.

    Regards,

    Mary 

    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9396-J2P5-1?i=59&cc=1804886&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AX8W1-73T

     

    Cloughleafin

    Saturday 24th April 2021 04:24AM
  • Back again.  

    The following website was on the Tobins in Canada.

    https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/tobin/1053/

     

    I contacted a Kevin Leahy who has connections in Canada to the Tobins (marriage) - his contact details:  kevinleahy@cogeco.ca   

    Thomas' daughter Johanna married into the Leahy family but much can be Googled. 

     

    have also contacted a Richard  Ripley (Genealogist) having seen a request on the Internet for info on Tobins of Cloghleafin :  nffgfamily@hotmail.com
     

    A Fr Murphy in Canada also commented on the Tobin/Clifford data shown to him.  I think you may be able to access that by Google with his name plus Tobins of Douro.

     

    All of the above resulted from trying to find a link with Thomas and Jane Clifford.  The latter lived across the road from our Tobins.

     

    Best of luck,

    Mary

     

     

    Cloughleafin

    Saturday 24th April 2021 05:16AM
  • Mary Cloughleafin and Mary TV,

    Thanks for sending the links. I have seen some of this information, but the Tobins's who were part of the Peter Robinson settlement are not my direct line of Tobins. My Tobins didn't leave Ireland until 1846 or 1847, so John Tobin, father of Thomas must have had some brothers that stayed in Ireland. Joe Kenny has the Patrick Tobin of Douro confused with the Patrick Tobin of Asphodel. These were two different families. The Asphodel Tobins were probably part of the immediate family of Thomas Tobin. The Patrick Tobin of Douro was my gr gr grandfather, who was married to Margaret Casey. The Patrick Tobin of Asphodel was married to Margaret Coughlin and all of their children were born in Canada. It is confusing because most of the children had the same names in each family.

    I have found all my Tobins from Patrick and Margaret Casey that left Ireland. I'm trying to find out who Patrick's parents were in Ireland.  I'm not sure when Patrick was born, I think it was about 1810 or 1811, as the census records showed him 5 or 6 years older than Margaret, who I think was born about 1814, and they were married about 1833.  I couldn't find baptism  records for Patrick's two oldest children, Patrick b about 1834 and Mary b about 1835, because the don't start until 1836. The sponsers for the other children were: Michael b 1837, Ellen Casey & James McCarthy / William b 1839, Dennis Hea? & Mary Condon / Ellen b 1841, Thomas Tobin & Catherine McCarthy / Margaret b 1844, Ed. Casey & Kate Tobin.  No doubt are Tobin families are connected, but I"m afraid I don't know how.

    Do you know the Catholic parish records are online at the National Library of Ireland website? Have you tried to find the Estate Records? Some of them are on microfilm but I don't want to go to the family history center until I don't have to wear a mask!

    Kind regards,

    Anne

    anne sooter

    Saturday 24th April 2021 08:09PM
  • Anne and Mary,
    I am not sure if this information is accurate or they also have the Patricks confused??

    There are 109 family trees on Ancestry with Patrick Tobin and Margaret Casey, married 1833 in Cloughleafin.

    I selected the McCann/Phelan Family Tree, username: mildted mccann.

    Patrick born 1798 Briguon, Cork and died 1881 Peterborough, Ontario

    Parents- John Robert Tobin, Senior, born 1773 Cloughleafin and died 1826 Duoro, Peterborough and Ellen Curran (1775-1863). They were married in 1794 in Brigown, Mitchelstown, Cork and the tree shows eleven children. Not sure if accurate but includes Thomas Tobin who married Jane Tobin.

    Not sure if the birth years are 100% accurate, ie, three show 1798 as birth year and another differs by 10 years based on census. Thomas (1795-1843), John Robert Jr. (1797-1830), Mary (1798-1897), Patrick (1798-1881), Ellen (1798), Johanna (1801-1886), Mary Margaret (1802-1861), John (1810-1885), Martin James (1813-1854), William (1816-1886), and James Joseph (1821-1899)

    Name

    Patrick Tobin

    Gender

    Male

    Age

    83

    Birth Date

    1798

    Birth Place

    Cork, Ireland

    Death Date

    4 Feb 1881

    Death Place

    Peterborough, Ontario, Canada

    Religion

    Roman Catholic

    Cause of Death

    Old Age

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    John Robert Tobin’, Senior, parents were William Tobin born 1749 in Ireland and Ellen Burgess born abt. 1750 in Cork. Some of the trees suggest that William died in 1825 and Ellen went Duoro.

    Let me know if this makes sense.

    Regards- Mary

    MaryTV

    Sunday 25th April 2021 12:56PM
  • I sent this previous message using Reply, yesterday, in reference to Mary's message. Still trying to figure out how to send messages.

    Mary,
    Thank you for this information. I will need to follow-up on the Murphy/ Tobin marriage Fr. Murphy mentions and is identified on the Tobin website.

    There is a gravesite in Galbally for Patrick Fogarty of Glenlara (1697-1775), my 5th great grandfather. I was in Glenlara in 2019 and met with my Fogarty family and a Tobin. I guess they were connected to the pubs in the area (no longer open). They brought me to the Church, the uninhabited family homestead and farm, and Laraghlawe Cemetery, Glenlara where my great grandparents are buried. Do your Fogartys connect back to Glenlara?

    Regards- Mary

    MaryTV

    Sunday 25th April 2021 03:29PM
  • MaryTV,

    That is the death record for my Patrick Tobin, but I think his birth year is incorrect. Patrick was living in Chicago, where four of his children were living. Margaret died in 1879 in Chicago and Patrick went back to either visit or live with his son William, who was married to Mary Condon. William died a year or two after his father. 

    The McCann/Phelan tree has a lot of inaccurate information in it. She has Johanna Tobin's parents and birthdate wrong. Her parents were Patrick Tobin and Margaret Casey not Joseph Tobin and Catherine Maloney, and she was born in 1849 not 1850.  Margaret (Casey) Tobin is listed on Johanna's gravestone, so why would she be on there if her mother was Catherine? She also has some prison record for Patrick Tobin in 1850 when he was living in Douro, Ontario, Canada at that time. The Kenny tree is fairly accurate except for the Patrick Tobins he has mixed up.

    I think she got some of her information from my cousin, who had the wrong information on the Tobins at the time. He didn't even know where the Tobins were in Canada until I told him.  Unfortunately, people copy the information from other peoples trees and don't verify the information, so there is a lot of wrong information in many of the family trees. 

    There were still several Tobins in Cloughleafin after the John and Thomas Tobins left so I will see if I can find a connection to my Tobins.

    Thanks,

    Anne

    anne sooter

    Sunday 25th April 2021 07:46PM
  • Anne,

    I don't know anything about the Tobin family but thought it was worth a try.

    Regards- Mary

    MaryTV

    Sunday 25th April 2021 08:32PM
  • Thanks a million to MaryTV and Anne.  I researched John Robert Tobin, Brigown and Ellen Curran & found an Abbeyfeale Co Limerick connection for Ellen.  Also found John Robert was born in 1773 in Limerick; his father William born 1730.  Re Fogarty connection to Glenlara that is quite promising as I couldn't find any detail on Mary wife of David.  Searching yesterday I saw a number of references to Patrick Tobin born 1810 and who married Margaret Casey which say he was born in Nenagh, Co Tipperary or "city" Tipperary.  My hope was that he and David were.brothers who both ended up at Cloughleafin with David being the older one as he appears as a tenant of the Kingston Estate in the Tithe Applotment records of 1825.  Patrick would have been 15 then.  Any information on Tobin families who remained on Cloughleafin land when John and his extended family emigrated would very helpfully narrow down the family connection search.   My gr/grandfather William and family lived in the house shown in previously mentioned photos and next door lived another William Tobin and his wife Margaret Sherlock and their family.  He would have been from the next generation as he was much younger.  Still unable to work out familial relationship if any exists.

    Regards,,

    Mary Cloughleafin

    Cloughleafin

    Monday 26th April 2021 03:38AM
  • Mary TV,

    I appreciate your sending the information. I thought you were looking at the Clifford's in the McCann / Phelan tree and I just wanted you to know that some of the information in it was wrong in case you found anything on your Cliffords you might want to research it.  

    Thanks,

    Anne

    anne sooter

    Monday 26th April 2021 07:35PM
  • Mary Cloughleafin,

    Did you by any chance take the Ancestry DNA test?

    Anne.

    anne sooter

    Monday 26th April 2021 08:12PM
  • Yes, I realize your reaching out to Mary Cloughleafin. I am MaryTV on Ancestry, A480548 on Gedmatch, and on FamilyTreeDNA and MyHeritage. We probably connect at some point but there might be too much distance.
    Take care- Mary

    MaryTV

    Monday 26th April 2021 08:51PM
  • Anne scooter & MaryTV

    Recently checked out info on ancestry DNA testing but gather it is on hold because of COVID.  Cousin who is researching with me has his results which he will check against your's Mary.. Eyes crossed we will have a breakthrough.

    Mary Cloughleafin

    Cloughleafin

    Tuesday 27th April 2021 04:14AM
  • Mine is under annebr on Ancestry, but I don't have my tree online, I just added a few people.

    MaryTV didn't come up as a match. I have a newspapers.com and genealogybank.com subscriptions.  If you want me to look anything up for you just let me know. Some of the obituaries can be very helpful.

    Anne Sooter

    anne sooter

    Tuesday 27th April 2021 05:56AM
  • Very much appreciate your offer Anne.  Will ponder best way to go once I know If MaryTV DNA matches my cousin's results.  We live I. Hope!
    mary Cloughleafin

    Cloughleafin

    Tuesday 27th April 2021 09:19AM
  •  

    Hi Anne, Mary and Mary. I'm Mary Cloghleafin's cousin John and I live in New York. Like Mary I'm well familiar with the Douro connection and was there a few years back. As Mary points out, outside the Tobin name and Cloghleafin connection we've never been able to establish a solid connection. And we are aware Tobin seemed to be more common a name in the locality in the 19th century than it is today. I do have my DNA on Ancestry though I'm no longer a subscriber and also on FamilyTree if that's of any use. Not sure how I can get a match to Anne or Mary from that though. Happy to share any information and nice to meet new Tobins!      John

     

     

    tobin67

    Tuesday 27th April 2021 10:14AM
  • John,
    I am not finding a connection on Ancestry or Family Tree. My only connection to the Tobin family is possibly through Jane Clifford Tobin who I think is my great great grandmother's Aunt. So no DNA connection. That said, sometimes I find a Gedmatch connection even if I don't connect with another ancestry service.

    Potentially, I connect to Mary Fogarty. We just have to find where she is from. My Fogartys were in Glenlara since the 1600's. The men of the family are documented. The first documented female was Johanna Fogarty, 1811, parents- Patrick Fogarty and Johanna Heffernan. There is a Fogarty Family from Bottomtown, Limerick I am connected to. There were 9 children. They had an eldest daughter Mary (1790-1878) but she married Thomas Magner. Her brother William (1805-) married Catherine O'Keefe and they lived in Kilwheylan, Glanworth, Cork.

    Regards- Mary

    MaryTV

    Tuesday 27th April 2021 12:21PM
  • Hello John, Mary and Mary,

    Nice to meet you John.

    I found a tree on Ancestry: David Tobin - Facts (ancestry.com) his wife is Mary Fogarty and says he was born about 1800 in Cork. It's a DNA match to me through Mary Barry, but the person who manages the tree is Teresa Arnup, but it says she is not a DNA match to me or hasn't taken a test. Not much to go on but I thought I would pass it along. Have you ever seen this tree by any chance?

    Anne

    anne sooter

    Wednesday 28th April 2021 07:01PM
  • Forgot to add that it's the Barry / Ley Family Tree

    anne sooter

    Wednesday 28th April 2021 07:02PM
  • Hello Anne, Mary, and John-
    Anne, Thank you for sharing this find. Hopefully John and Mary find a connection. Sometimes, I find trees and DNA matches are managed by spouses or family that don't identify the true match but worth reaching out to
    Regards- Mary

    MaryTV

    Wednesday 28th April 2021 08:10PM
  • MaryTV, Anne, John,

    I perked up to see a Barry reference as one Patrick Tobin in our Tobin line married a Catherine Barry.  John and I  are aware of a letter in existence from one of his sons following a visit to our gr/grandfather William's Cloughleafin home.  The writer was in a seminary studying for the priesthood but sadly died before ordination.  Also, regarding the marriage of David Tobin and Mary Fogarty -  research in Mitchelstown parish discovered a "possible" record showing Mary's surname transcribed as "Lagint".  The latter was not a common or known name in Ireland of those times.     Not yet being a paying ancestry member I cannot follow up the Barry/Ley clues.    It would be amazing if we strike gold from our combined effort.

    mary Cloughleafin

     

    Cloughleafin

    Thursday 29th April 2021 09:45AM
  • Hello,
    There are 29 trees on Ancestry (some private) with David and Mary. One shows Richard Tobin as David's father. No supporting documentation. One has a mass card for David's funeral. If John contacts me on Ancestry with your email I would be happy to send a copy. I think you can make contact if you are not a current subscriber?? Tried copying here but did not work.
    If you want me to check out anything on the trees let me know. Also I subscribe to RootsIreland and can checkout records there.

    Take care- Mary

    MaryTV

    Thursday 29th April 2021 11:34AM
  • MaryTV, thank you so much for the update and kind offer.   The record showing Richard as David's father while interesting doesn't fit the naming traditions the Tobins seemed fully committed to .   However it is still a positive find.  News of The Mass card for David sounds good news (I feel bad even thinking that).  I will contact John.  Again sincere thanks,   
    Mary Cloughleafin

     

    Cloughleafin

    Thursday 29th April 2021 12:04PM
  • Mary and MaryTV,

    I thought it was interesting that I had a match to the Mary Barry in that tree. I do have Barry ancestors but my Barry's came from Mulrankin in County Wexford. I did see some Mccarthy's in that tree and I have a James McCarthy and a Catherine McCarthy that were baptismal sponsors to two of Patrick Tobin's children. I can make some screen prints of the tree for you if you would like me to but I would have to send them in an email.

    I also checked for DNA matches on several of the trees with Thomas Tobin and Jane Clifford in them, and not one of them came up as a match. I did find a match in a tree with Patrick Tobin and wife Margaret Coughlan who were in Asphodel, Peterborough, Ontario, Canada. My Patrick Tobin went to Douro, Peterborough, Ontario, Canada so maybe they were cousins since both their names were Patrick I doubt they were brothers. I will  send the tree owner a message and see if he has any matches to the Thomas Tobin family. It's all very interesting!

    Anne

    email: asooter@kc.rr.com

    anne sooter

    Thursday 29th April 2021 03:40PM
  •  

    Hi Mary( and Mary!) I second Mary in saying thank you for your kind offer of help with this. Like many people doing family history we made a lot of headway for a few years but have been in a genealogical logjam for years now it seems. Anyway, we live in hope. My email is johnotoole67 at yahoo.com. (You can tell I'm trying to fool the robot spambot who trawl the internet for email addresses) I also have DNA on Ancestry and FamilyTree but have not uploaded them to Gedmatch or any of the other DNA clearing houses. Would it help you if I did that, Mary? I second Mary in the observation of the name Richard. We've never seen it before and as David likely died in the 1860's or so did they have Masscards as early as then? His son William (our ancestor) married in 1863 aged 35 or so so I'm guessing his father may have died around then. There is also anecdotal evidence that William was in the U.S prior to that from some Boston Pilot letters I found years back. Anyway, that's enough for one post. Thank you for getting in touch, Mary, and looking forward to hearing from you.        John

     

     

     

    tobin67

    Thursday 29th April 2021 03:49PM
  • Did you follow up the Tobin/Murphy link? I have this combination in my family and trying to find a marriage record.for Michael Murphy and Margaret Tobin

    Spud murphy

    Sunday 12th September 2021 07:28AM
  • Not sure where your Michael and Margaret lived but I found this record on RootsIreland.

    Date of Marriage: 01-Jan-1841
    Parish / District: KILNAMARTYRA County: Co. Cork
    Husband Wife
    Name: Michael Murphy Margaret Tobin
    Address:
    Denomination: Roman Catholic Roman Catholic
    Occupation:
    Age:
    Status: Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Spinster (Previously unmarried)
    Husband's Father Wife's Father
    Name: Murphy Tobin
    Address:
    Denomination:
    Occupation:
    Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
    Name:
    Address:
    Denomination:
    Occupation:
    Witness 1 Witness 2
    Name: David Tobin Edmond Murphy
    Address:
    Notes:

    DAY AND MONTH INFERRED
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    Mary

    MaryTV

    Sunday 12th September 2021 03:42PM
  • Not sure where your Michael and Margaret lived but I found this record on RootsIreland. Date of Marriage: 01-Jan-1841 Parish / District: KILNAMARTYRA County: Co. Cork Husband Wife Name: Michael Murphy Margaret Tobin Address: Denomination: Roman Catholic Roman Catholic Occupation: Age: Status: Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Spinster (Previously unmarried) Husband's Father Wife's Father Name: Murphy Tobin Address: Denomination: Occupation: Husband's Mother Wife's Mother Name: Address: Denomination: Occupation: Witness 1 Witness 2 Name: David Tobin Edmond Murphy Address: Notes: DAY AND MONTH INFERRED @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Mary

    MaryTV

    Sunday 12th September 2021 03:43PM

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